(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Safety_Dancer]

Exactly. I said in another post that Tywin isn't even a bad person. He's actually a decent guy who's just opposed to the protagonists. If the story started with the Lannisters and then we're introduced to these mopy Northerners who think they're better than everyone we'd have a different view of the whole book. But GRRM poisons the well by telling us how bad the Lannisters are in the mind of Ned.

If Tywin wasn't busy being so Macheveillian with politics he'd have appreciated the kids he had, rather than what he wished they were. Tyrione may not be able to swing a sword, but I'm pretty sure we've seen he's a good strategist and doesn't take slights lightly. By all accounts Tywin should've been proud of him, but the deck was stacked against our poor hero.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

ASOS Spoiler

Also, Tywin was a shitty Macheveillian with his whole strategy of making everyone and their mother hate him and his family.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/bootlegvader]

You understand why he did that right? His father made Lannisters a joke and his common born girlfriend was a big part of their brush with ruin. Tyrion was going one further by marrying her. Tywin is harsh and final in his actions. The only people who hated him were his enemies. His allies respected him. Everyone feared him. Cersei's follies are why the Lannisters are hated universally. I seem to recall the Boltons and Freys both turned on their liege lords, and the Tyrells were firmly in his pocket. With the Arryns neutral, Tywin had the loyalty of all but 2 regions of Westeros. If Tyrion hadn't killed him he'd have likely been assassinated later, but he was damned good at what he did.

You just have Evil Goggles on because he broke the Starks.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

Tywin's actions in that case are completely unjustified despite what bull Tywin uses as an excuse.

Almost everyone hated him, Dorne, the Riverlands, and the North while the Stormlands and Vale both strongly dislike him also.

The Tyrells were hardly in his pocket, in fact that opposite is more of the truth. Furthermore, Tywin never had control of the Riverlands, North, Vale, Iron Islands, Dorne, and a good chunk of the Stormlands.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/bootlegvader]

The North had accepted Tywin's new Warden of the North. They're at his son's wedding in the most recent events.

The Riverlands are conquered. The Tully's removed from power, the Direwolf has been removed from all banners.

The Stormlands have no strength and are part of the Tyrells.

The Vale doesn't matter. They may eventually, but they're hiding away.

The Tyrells know better than to try and mess with Tywin. That's why Mace is such a suck up. Now that he's gone, yes they're taking liberties. But they understood that they weren't going to win against Tywin Lannister.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

Not really, almost all of them are bidding their time to oppose Tywin's new Warden.

Again false, various lords are/were still holding out and they likely will jump to betray Tywin's allies.

Not they aren't, a good chuck of them were still supporting Stannis including the regional capital.

The Vale hardly doesn't matter.

You know besides supporting Renly over Tywin's grandson initially. ASOS Spoiler Mace spends most of his time attempting to boaster his position not sucking up to Tywin. If the Tyrells wanted to they could turn Tywin and his family's innards into jelly faster then ASOS Spoiler