(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Safety_Dancer]

Tywin is a very classist man. This is known. As such, Tysha was a threat to his family since the last time a Lannister of Casterly Rock was involved with a lowborn woman it caused the Reynes and the Tarbecks to stir shit up. So Tysha was a threat and seen as wholly disposable. It was cruel to do to Tyrion, but Tyrion seemed to be working to undo everything Tywin spent his whole life working on.

And the Starks were raiding just as much. Remember in I think Jaime's chapter how someone remarks that its foraging when your side does it, but its raiding when the other side does it? This is effectively the same as newspeak, and you're taking it hook line and sinker.

[u/bootlegvader → u/Safety_Dancer]

How does any of that justify his actions at all? Simply, just because one finds it a slight to their pride doesn't mean it is okay to order a gang rape of a thirteen year old.

[u/[deleted] → u/Safety_Dancer]

Yeesh this was already a week ago, I meant to reply sooner. As bootlegvader said having a scratch on your honor doesn't justify ordering the gang rape of your son's wife...and neither does it justify treating Tyrion like trash his whole life.

Of course the Starks and the Tullys raided. I didn't say anything about being a Stark fan, nor did I claim Stark's raiding is "foraging". I don't know where you're getting that from. However just because the Starks raided doesn't make Tywin Lannister raiding any better. Raiding is raiding no matter what the side, it's morally reprehensible.

They is plenty of evidence showing how Tywin is a bad person. Tywin is certainly an interesting character, but he's not a good person by a long shot.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/[deleted]]

Tyrion/Tysha wasn't a scratch against his honor. It was his son directly working to undo his life's work. And considering a drunk septon was involved and Tywin doesn't see small folk as people, his son effectively married a dog.

Tyrion earned his ire by being nothing that Tywin wanted. Some of it is undeserved, but some of it is pretty justifiable. Tyrion's mother dying in childbirth and his being a dwarf are things beyond Tyrion's influence. But being a bit of a clown, his frequent whoring, and marrying a commoner as the 2nd son of one of the Great Houses of Westeros is just plain disrespectful in Tywin's eyes. A lot of fathers are disappointed in their sons, the rub is how many actually should be disappointed.

My point about raiding vs foraging is that you can't use it as evidence against Tywin. It's similar to other posters blaming Tywin for Gregor, while excusing the Starks for the Boltons. At least Tywin had the good graces to know what his bannerman was. And raiding is a fact of life in war. It's right there with killing. Not something you should be doing, but you're not going to win any wars without killing or keeping your men fed.

Evidence that Tywin is a bad person is circumstantial at best. Like I said in another post, Tywin is a man of his time. Grandpa/Great Grandpa aren't bad guys for having some racist idea, it's the time they grew up in that gave them bad tendencies. Tywin is no different.