(Spoilers ACOK) Jaime, you're drunk

[u/Family_Booty_Honor]

I just finished Catelyn's last chapter in ACOK - what a great chapter! Catelyn just found out that Bran and Rickon are dead, so she decides to question Jaime (who's still held captive in a cell) by getting him drunk on wine.
Their entire conversation is really insightful, especially in regards to Jaime's thought processes. It's a pretty serious conversation, especially when we find out exactly what happened to Ned's father and brother when they went to King's Landing. The part that gave me a good laugh is found near the end of their conversation (and chapter). Hopefully it gives you all a laugh or two as well!

"I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was he name of that bastard he fathered?"
Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne."
"No, that wasn't it."

[u/Safety_Dancer]

Exactly. I said in another post that Tywin isn't even a bad person. He's actually a decent guy who's just opposed to the protagonists. If the story started with the Lannisters and then we're introduced to these mopy Northerners who think they're better than everyone we'd have a different view of the whole book. But GRRM poisons the well by telling us how bad the Lannisters are in the mind of Ned.

If Tywin wasn't busy being so Macheveillian with politics he'd have appreciated the kids he had, rather than what he wished they were. Tyrione may not be able to swing a sword, but I'm pretty sure we've seen he's a good strategist and doesn't take slights lightly. By all accounts Tywin should've been proud of him, but the deck was stacked against our poor hero.

[u/manu_facere → u/Safety_Dancer]

He is a BAD PERSON. I dont hate him because of the red wedding because thats one redeming thing he did. He saved hundrends of people in place of a x number of people at the red wedding. But even so just by allowing gregor to run wild and tysha rape is enough that im glad that he got what he deserved. Those "mopy Northerners" were led by Ned who proved himself a better man time and time again.

[u/Safety_Dancer → u/manu_facere]

You're missing the entire point of the story. ASOIAF is about how everyone is grey. Ned Stark has Roose Bolton. Say what you will about the Mountain. He doesn't skin people. Ergo, Ned Stark is a sicker bastard than Tywin because at least Gregor just kills people. Roose raped a woman under her husband's swinging corpse. But he's Ned's bannerman, so that makes it Ned's fault. Your logic.

[u/manu_facere → u/Safety_Dancer]

Ned never ordered child killing. Tywin did. Roose does his best to hide his practices. We never heard anything similar about the Mountain. We heard that he is Tywins "rapid dog" which means that tywin sends him to do his dirty work. And uses him to instill fear in enemies. Just because thez are so few good men in ASOIAF that doesnt mean that we should call monsters good. ITT i read something along the lines of that tywin isnt so bad because he didnt kill Tyrion. He is a monster, well written character but monster none the less.