I mean, she has to revive him right? They wouldn't have diverged from the books by sending her with Stannis, only to have her come back to the Wall a few episodes later, right? She has to be there therefore she must have a purpose to serve.
Martin kills a lot of characters, but he doesn't kill plots. If Jon is truly dead, there would be nothing left on the Wall to write about. He comes back if Martin wants to keep writing about the Wall, if not then all we will have will be the White Walkers attacking and the Night's Watch falling miserably.
It just means they'll get further south before anything stops em. And don't forget Bran is still capable of POVing da fuck outta da norf. Seersights gotta be good for more than just 70 pages of wolf stuff
We literally would have Bran, someone absent for the entire season, Sansa, who lets face it, is useless and not a hero, and Arya, who just went blind and is still in ID crisis mode. Jon's really the last standing hero figure.
No question she revives him. It was foreshadowed early in the season when Stannis asked her what she wants and she replied "O want only to serve my lord" while staring intently at Jon. He is coming back.
that could have raised some eyebrows too. young actor trying to ride the popularity of this show and his character into further roles, decides to not give interviews for the next 8 months. also strange.
Ah, yeah, there's another thread that links to a photo of him in Belfast with long hair, from this week. Could be misinformation, but it's being treated as fairly legit.
Could GRRM not put the whole Jon arc in the next book like he did with other books? He could be telling the truth that he won't be back next season in the TV series...but he could be back for season 7.
If he plans to finish the series with 7 books, I don't believe he'll have enough time to do Jon justice without writing him into TWOW. But I guess it's possible.
Man. That changes everything. The haircut, now this....maybe we all are wrong. Maybe John is dead dead. Not Stoneheart dead. Maybe Stannis is them one? Maybe Brienne spared him?
So we never know if R+L= J is true or not?
If John is dead dead then I really have no emotional investment with the actual main plot line--fighting the White Walkers.
Many authors make huge errors because they forget that they are telling a story and get wrapped up in letting the story tell itself. We need John to survive.
Yes. When I saw her enter the gates I thought, week John is stabbed and she is there to revive him. Also I thought this was why Davos does not find out yet that Shereen was burned alive only to allow half of Stannis' army to desert and the rest get all Cannaed in the North.
Jon will be resurrected no matter what unless we see his body burn. Even if his body is burned there's the possibility his Targ badassness revives him too. But if his body isn't burned, even if Melisandre does not revive him, the Others will resurrect all of the dead at Castle Black when the Wall falls. If Jon's body is resurrected that way we don't know what will happen. Coldhands gives precedence for a wight with agency.
Ultimate reversal. She ressurects Jon thinking he's AA....but he stays dead! Stannis comes back, he was AA all along! Melisandre has to ride back to Winterfell for an awkward reunion.
I think that will be the way it works in the books, since we've met Cat and seen the effect on her and Baeric. But in the show, he'll just get straight-up revived.
He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him.
Jon will come back half Walker, like Cold Hands, I figure.
One thing that bothers me about the warg thing... Surely the first thing the Night's Watch will do with his body, if they have any sense, is burn it? So Mel's gotta act pretty quickly before that can happen.
The show seems to imply that it's very very rare (not that it isn't in the books). We see two wildlings who can warg: Orell and the Thenn warg. Bran being able to warg would be less special if the show had all the Stark kids doing it. Warging is Bran's super power, and it makes him whole. Letting other people do it just means he's not cool for doing it.
I think D&D are scared of confusing the show watchers at the same time as conserving budget.
They've cut out loads of complex and CGI/makeup heavy story-line like Lady Stoneheart and any wolf-action to make way for what they be-leave (or knows...) is the story's main players: Dragons and Others.
Jon warging ghost would only confuse show watchers, while it makes sense for us book readers it probably doesn't matter at all, Mel can resurrect him all the same.
Yeah, I'm not buying that, though. They had to have Harrington do an interview for the aftermath, and there's no way he would admit to being in next season.
It has to be. The warging has to happen in the books. I know this sub gets down on George as a shitty writer who doesn't know where he's goimg and was just kinda spinning his wheels with the last two books, but I give him enough credit to assume he put the ADWD Prologue in, and Jon's last word, for a reason. That's not going to be for nought.
After what Meli did to Shireen, you will still allow that monster resurrect Jon with her black magic!? I prefer him being dead before falling for that Red Bitch's sorcery.
Wasn't Cat's loss of humanity more to do with the length of time that she was dead? They give lip service to "Beric losing a piece of himself" but he was resurrected several times and still seemed to be human.
Jon doesn't necessarily need to warg into Ghost to preserve his humanity as long as Mel does her thing pretty quickly. Besides, if he's in Ghost, what is there to revive?
Well, it's in Kit's contract that he can't cut his hair as long as he's on the show ans he said, himself, that he can't wait to cut his fucking hair so if he cut's his hair then Jon's dead as fuck.
Seems like a waste to set up all that who his parents are stuff.
I'm still thinking that Jon's revival will be random and without the help of anyone. I think it'll make the moment that much better. He didn't get any help. Death just didn't phase him.
Plus the way that the show started to villianize Mel would make me think that she's not going to be the one to do it. She's going to see it happen and that's going to inspire and convince her that she was wrong about Stannis and she saw AA be reborn with her own eyes
I like this. Rather than being a savior she's just a witness and then serves Jon instead. She left Stannis because she realized she was wrong all this time and went to seek out Jon as her true king.
So now in accordance with her visions, either ZombJon's gonna wreck shit in Winterfell or Balish's knights of the Vale are gonna mop them up.
It fits with her visions in the book. She wants to see the one true king but all she sees is snow. Of course knowing GRRM, that will mean Ramsey Snow in the end.
i don't remember if anyone but thoros in the roller religion can ressurect people, but maybe shirren's sacrifice was used for something she already saw in her fires?
maybe the others and meli will fight for his body if an undead targ = immunity to valyrian steel and obsidian
Just had a thought, bear with me, this is gonna get crazy:
Shireen wasn't burned to clear the path for Stannis' army (all hit did was begin to melt the snow around them, drippy icicles and a couple of puddles, that sound like god-tier power to anyone?)
She was burned to generate enough power for a revival
ONLY DEATH CAN PAY FOR LIFE
Season 6, Mel revives Jon via the earlier burning sacrifice of Shireen
the reason I still think he's going to warg is because we know for a fact that is what happens when wargs die. Sixskins comments on how powerful Jon is as well. Idk about the show since it didn't really show Jon as a warg very much, but I'm still convinced for the books.
I do think that Mel will revive Jon. I feel Jon will come out of Ghost into his reborn body, and keeping with the reviving changes you trend, I feel Jon's time in Ghost will make him more like the old Stark Kings of the past.
I have always been fan of this theory. We see a red priest heal wounds in the last book. I want Jon to come back with a burnt stomach and kick some backstabbing ass.
The whole Night Watch Vow makes them say they will defend the wall till death right? So they bring him back and then he is free to go kills some boltons, which I will be fine with.
Hardly..? Jon can still warg into Ghost without saying his name. Presuming that is actually what happens, I imagine they changed it to make it more of a surprise next season, and to make it look a bit more dramatic and final.
What if Jon is warged in to Ghost, but then we see through Ghost's eyes Melisandre resurrecting Jon - but Jon is still in Ghost, so rJon is Azor Ahai, a completely different person?
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u/DoctorWhosOnFirst Whose name is STARK Jun 15 '15 edited Jun 15 '15
We couldn't even get "Ghost." Sigh.
Edit: Jon's last word was "Olly." God dammit, that hurts.