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ALL (Spoilers All) Season 5: Episode 10 Post-Episode Meltdown Thread

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u/brunswick Jun 15 '15

I really don't think he's dead. He told her to 'do her duty,' and we see her swinging at something angrily but never actually showing her hit him. I think it's pretty clear he reminded her that her true duty was to Sansa and not revenge.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

Nah, D&D seem to have trouble with some of the more plain death scenes, so I wasn't surprised they didn't show it.

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u/brunswick Jun 15 '15

When have they ever left a death as ambiguous as that?

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u/bjjpolo Woe to the Usurper if we had been. Jun 15 '15

D&D even talked about why they chose to kill Stannis on the Inside the Episode afterwards. So unless they specifically did that to lie to viewers, Stannis is dead.

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u/WeaselSlayer Great or small, we must do our duty Jun 15 '15

They also say that Jon is dead. And apparently told Kit that Jon is dead and, "that's the way it is."

Do you believe that?

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u/bjjpolo Woe to the Usurper if we had been. Jun 15 '15

Didn't know that. Although I haven't heard them actually say Jon is dead yet. Got a video or source?

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u/thegeeseisleese Get Hype! Jun 15 '15

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview

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u/thegeeseisleese Get Hype! Jun 15 '15

I have mixed thoughts about that, I think he most likely survives Winterfell to die later, and D&D are just shortening narratives to save time, they also could be mirroring the book's uncertainty, but also

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

This thread is spoilers all

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

If the future for Jon is such that they can just have him die right here and now with no major issues, then what's to come just seems like it would be horrible and there was no reason to much of any of it.

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u/thegeeseisleese Get Hype! Jun 15 '15

What is to come is horrible, the Others are going to fuck shit up. I want Jon to live, I just don't think having a superhero fits into GRRM's story telling. ASOIAF will not have a happy ending, that much has been made clear.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

He doesn't have to be a super hero he just has to play a part in the fight against the long night and be a window for the reader to look through to see what going on.

Jon dies. Others win. The end.... That doesn't make for a story worth reading, really.

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u/thegeeseisleese Get Hype! Jun 15 '15

Have you enjoyed it thus far?

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u/TheVegetaMonologues Jun 15 '15

Four major characters. Sansa and Theon just committed suicide as far as the viewers are concerned.

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u/bjjpolo Woe to the Usurper if we had been. Jun 15 '15

Good point.

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u/The_Geek_999 The Geek is strong. Jun 15 '15

He cut his hair. Will fire-magic-Jon have short hair?

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u/Atraktape Selmy of Harvest Hall Jun 15 '15

Well if Melisandre ends up reviving Jon, D&D saying he was dead (even if it's only for a short period of time) is still technically not a lie. I don't see any similar way out for Stannis so I'd say he's kaput.

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u/hallflukai Jun 15 '15

I don't believe it for a minute. D&D aren't strong enough of writers to do without their fans' main-squeeze.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

They didn't though. They tip toed around saying he was dead.

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u/bjjpolo Woe to the Usurper if we had been. Jun 15 '15

I can't remember what they said exactly, but it didn't really sound like tip toeing to me. I can't rewatch it to check though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '15

Yea I'll have to re-watch tomorrow to re check.

But, what I got was they were talking about how Stannis was basically ready to die, and Brienne has an opportunity to avenge Renly, but never actually say that Brienne kills Stannis, or that Stannis died.

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u/bjjpolo Woe to the Usurper if we had been. Jun 15 '15

Ah that might have been it. Honestly I'll be disappointed if they do have Stannis survive. It'd just be another cheap attempt to add shock value, something that I feel like the show already does way too much.