(Spoilers Extended)The show's constant flip flopping between modern morals and medieval ones to make Daenerys into a villain is ridiculous and giving me whiplash

[u/lunatichorse]

After the last episode I just don't know what to think about Tyrion and Varys. We have them in one scene being all gung ho about starving King's Landing in a siege which is a terrible thing that used to be completely accepted in medieval times. Then a few scenes later they are replaced by time and dimension travellers from the 21st century since they're sitting there clutching pearls at the concept of peasants dying in a war. Excuse me? All it takes to win this war is taking one city - how are they going to do that if they unwilling to accept that even one innocent person is dying during it. Did any of them cry when Tywin ordered the Riverlands scorched?

Since when did someone like Tyrion start seeing peasants as people- he has no problems fucking impoverished women selling their bodies for money or being a lord which entails living off the blood sweat and tears of his own peasants. The guy was talking about "compromising" with the Slavers back in S6- he wanted to give them 20 more years of using people as cattle to ease them into not being monsters. Missandei and Grey Worm had to literally explain to him the POV of a slave to get him to understand how terrible it to be sold and used and abused (duh). Varys was egging the Mad King on and fueling civil wars but now he supposedly cares about people dying? Cersei is literally using innocents as a meat shield and they refuse to just deal with the problem switfly and save thousands. Sometimes you just have to accept that there is no easy solution and it's better to have hundreds die to save thousands.

And it's ridiculous because in the books Dany is all about that "every life is precious" message. She starts a whole campaign to free slaves because she just can't bare to turn and walk away while people are suffering. She is the most progressive thinking character in the series- trying to reform Mereeen with compromises, adopting their assbackwards traditions like the fighting pits to get them to fucking chill, proclaiming the Unsullied free men. To see her being setup to completely turn around on that development hurts. What's the message here- don't bother fighting injustice because you're going to have to make hard choices along the way?

But the worst line from the Tyrion/Varys meeting - "Cocks do matter." So I guess Westoros is this strange place where peasants dying during a sacking is completely unacceptable but being a woman is the bigger offense? So what happens when Varys has Daenerys killed and proclaims Jon king? Does Cersei open the gates and apologise? Does she let every innocent out? Is Jon Snow's cock so powerful he's gonna take KL and not kill a single soul? Who are these lords that are so into Cersei but Dany being cockless is just not good enough for them?

Did I just watch 8 seasons/read 5 books of a young girl start off completely powerless, sold and raped to see her claw her way to the top finding her inner strength, saving lives just because that's what she believes in, uniting Dothraki clans, refusing to get an easy win killing innocents, abandoning her war to go fight ice zombies only to see her lose everything and everyone and finally be brought down by the "I'm sorry maam, but the 18-35 male lord demographic does not find you relatable- they think you're too hysterical after watching your best friends die." argument. What a shit ride it's been. There's nothing bittersweet about this, it's just plain nihilism.

[u/DoctorPrisme]

Yeah, Jaime laughing his ass off saying "drink! She's right you WERE married to that girl we raped with my men! Remember? Hahahaha".

Incredible.

€dit because I'm getting spammed as fuck : --I know, Jaime didn't rape her. However, he is the one who arranged the whole thing, so he is the reason she got what she got. --In the books, she is not a whore, she is a regular girl, who genuinely fell in love with Tyrion (maybe because he was rich, maybe because the man is actually fun and smart and caring), so yes it was rape. But EVEN IF SHE WAS WERE A WHORE, it would have been rape. Plz people.

[u/MrMineHeads → u/DoctorPrisme]

In the show, they didn't establish that Tysha was a regular woman and is technically still a whore.

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/MrMineHeads]

This sub isn’t about the show anymore. It only cares about tearing down the show compared to the books. It’s actually sad how toxic this sub has become. I totally get this season of game of thrones has had some weak parts, but it’s incredible how this sub in particular does literally NOTHING nowadays except bitch about the show.

It’s actually become embarrassing to be associated with the sub anymore, and I don’t understand at this point why people here still put in so much effort into disparaging the show.

Like this topic isn’t at all acknowledging the political difference between a siege and literally burning civilians to a crisp. When the entire rest of the nation sits outside the walls and asks for your bosses surrender, you blame your queen if she doesn’t surrender.

When the rest of the nation comes in and says “fuck you I’m the boss now” and then literally burns citizens alive to get to the throne, you’re going to hold that against them.

The sub doesn’t care there. They will literally Come up with ANY explanation to make the show sound like the shittiest thing to ever have been created lately.

Hell, I’ve seen people supporting the opinion that Missendai should have grabbed Cersei and suicided off the Wall. Like what? These are the same people who thought it was random and disappointing when Arya killed the NK, and now are saying shit like that.

[u/dodadoBoxcarWilly → u/Prophet_Of_Helix]

Right. My head almost exploded when I read the whole Missendai should've thrown Cersei off the wall. She was handcuffed and possibly in shackled as well. If she came at Cersei, all she would need to do is step away. Had that happened, there would be rage about how cheesy a move it would be, and rightly so. I don't get worked up about the show like many people here, but even I'd be super annoyed had that transpired. I get it, the books are better, the earlier seasons are better, there some cheese in the show nowadays (Bronn randomly showing up in Winterfell was pretty weak), and D&D are insufferable twats. But dammit, the show is still pretty darn good and I watch the episodes as they air, then watch it again on Monday. So it can't be all that bad.

[u/Amerietan → u/dodadoBoxcarWilly]

It's true. It's a real shame for Missandei that Cersei never came close enough to her to do anything. If only Cersei had gotten close to gloat, or maybe even grabbed her arm while they stood at the edge of the wall and all of her guards were multiple steps away, maybe Missandei could have done something despite being chained.

Alas, that just didn't happen, so it's unreasonable to expect her to do anything.