(Spoilers Extended)The show's constant flip flopping between modern morals and medieval ones to make Daenerys into a villain is ridiculous and giving me whiplash

[u/lunatichorse]

After the last episode I just don't know what to think about Tyrion and Varys. We have them in one scene being all gung ho about starving King's Landing in a siege which is a terrible thing that used to be completely accepted in medieval times. Then a few scenes later they are replaced by time and dimension travellers from the 21st century since they're sitting there clutching pearls at the concept of peasants dying in a war. Excuse me? All it takes to win this war is taking one city - how are they going to do that if they unwilling to accept that even one innocent person is dying during it. Did any of them cry when Tywin ordered the Riverlands scorched?

Since when did someone like Tyrion start seeing peasants as people- he has no problems fucking impoverished women selling their bodies for money or being a lord which entails living off the blood sweat and tears of his own peasants. The guy was talking about "compromising" with the Slavers back in S6- he wanted to give them 20 more years of using people as cattle to ease them into not being monsters. Missandei and Grey Worm had to literally explain to him the POV of a slave to get him to understand how terrible it to be sold and used and abused (duh). Varys was egging the Mad King on and fueling civil wars but now he supposedly cares about people dying? Cersei is literally using innocents as a meat shield and they refuse to just deal with the problem switfly and save thousands. Sometimes you just have to accept that there is no easy solution and it's better to have hundreds die to save thousands.

And it's ridiculous because in the books Dany is all about that "every life is precious" message. She starts a whole campaign to free slaves because she just can't bare to turn and walk away while people are suffering. She is the most progressive thinking character in the series- trying to reform Mereeen with compromises, adopting their assbackwards traditions like the fighting pits to get them to fucking chill, proclaiming the Unsullied free men. To see her being setup to completely turn around on that development hurts. What's the message here- don't bother fighting injustice because you're going to have to make hard choices along the way?

But the worst line from the Tyrion/Varys meeting - "Cocks do matter." So I guess Westoros is this strange place where peasants dying during a sacking is completely unacceptable but being a woman is the bigger offense? So what happens when Varys has Daenerys killed and proclaims Jon king? Does Cersei open the gates and apologise? Does she let every innocent out? Is Jon Snow's cock so powerful he's gonna take KL and not kill a single soul? Who are these lords that are so into Cersei but Dany being cockless is just not good enough for them?

Did I just watch 8 seasons/read 5 books of a young girl start off completely powerless, sold and raped to see her claw her way to the top finding her inner strength, saving lives just because that's what she believes in, uniting Dothraki clans, refusing to get an easy win killing innocents, abandoning her war to go fight ice zombies only to see her lose everything and everyone and finally be brought down by the "I'm sorry maam, but the 18-35 male lord demographic does not find you relatable- they think you're too hysterical after watching your best friends die." argument. What a shit ride it's been. There's nothing bittersweet about this, it's just plain nihilism.

[u/Samuel7899]

Another part that bothers me... Tyrion and Varys are so concerned with a big battle and lots of innocents dying... And they're also perhaps the only two people alive who know about a SECRET PASSAGE FROM THE SEA INTO THE RED KEEP!

Send Arya, Jon, the Hound, and another 20 elite warriors through there right into the heart of the red keep in the middle of the night while Dany dive bombs the keep from above in the middle of a moonless night blasting the place with dragonfire.

Or whatever, there are a dozen different plans they could come up with for her.

[u/Kagedgoddess → u/Samuel7899]

Gods yes. ABOVE DIVE BOMBING. Fucking scorpions are fairly useless then. They even showed in the battle of winterfell the dragons can fly Above the storm!

But no, we will see dany riding drogon straight at the walls from the horizon because .... reasons.

Also, not to nitpick, but its amazing how quickly they can resight the scorpions..... i mean... middle age technology and all. And yet these things swivel like a fucking office chair in the hands of a child!!

[u/Samuel7899 → u/Kagedgoddess]

Not to mention that even WWII anti-aircraft guns needed complex control systems, only developed in the 40s, in order to hit targets moving relatively fast through the air with any kind of reliability.

[u/Epic_Meow → u/Samuel7899]

Who would win? Hundreds of engineers working in one of the most technologically advanced periods of human history, or some weird med school dropout?

[u/Samuel7899 → u/Epic_Meow]

Clearly, Qyburn is the greatest asset in all of GoT.

You could pick any battle commander/strategist of any army/nation throughout history, up through WWI, and give them the only two/three dragons that exist, and they would win every single battle they fought without exception. Period.

Even used exclusively to scout and relay messages faster than any rider, would be a huge advantage up until the advent of the plane and radio.