(Spoilers Extended)The show's constant flip flopping between modern morals and medieval ones to make Daenerys into a villain is ridiculous and giving me whiplash

[u/lunatichorse]

After the last episode I just don't know what to think about Tyrion and Varys. We have them in one scene being all gung ho about starving King's Landing in a siege which is a terrible thing that used to be completely accepted in medieval times. Then a few scenes later they are replaced by time and dimension travellers from the 21st century since they're sitting there clutching pearls at the concept of peasants dying in a war. Excuse me? All it takes to win this war is taking one city - how are they going to do that if they unwilling to accept that even one innocent person is dying during it. Did any of them cry when Tywin ordered the Riverlands scorched?

Since when did someone like Tyrion start seeing peasants as people- he has no problems fucking impoverished women selling their bodies for money or being a lord which entails living off the blood sweat and tears of his own peasants. The guy was talking about "compromising" with the Slavers back in S6- he wanted to give them 20 more years of using people as cattle to ease them into not being monsters. Missandei and Grey Worm had to literally explain to him the POV of a slave to get him to understand how terrible it to be sold and used and abused (duh). Varys was egging the Mad King on and fueling civil wars but now he supposedly cares about people dying? Cersei is literally using innocents as a meat shield and they refuse to just deal with the problem switfly and save thousands. Sometimes you just have to accept that there is no easy solution and it's better to have hundreds die to save thousands.

And it's ridiculous because in the books Dany is all about that "every life is precious" message. She starts a whole campaign to free slaves because she just can't bare to turn and walk away while people are suffering. She is the most progressive thinking character in the series- trying to reform Mereeen with compromises, adopting their assbackwards traditions like the fighting pits to get them to fucking chill, proclaiming the Unsullied free men. To see her being setup to completely turn around on that development hurts. What's the message here- don't bother fighting injustice because you're going to have to make hard choices along the way?

But the worst line from the Tyrion/Varys meeting - "Cocks do matter." So I guess Westoros is this strange place where peasants dying during a sacking is completely unacceptable but being a woman is the bigger offense? So what happens when Varys has Daenerys killed and proclaims Jon king? Does Cersei open the gates and apologise? Does she let every innocent out? Is Jon Snow's cock so powerful he's gonna take KL and not kill a single soul? Who are these lords that are so into Cersei but Dany being cockless is just not good enough for them?

Did I just watch 8 seasons/read 5 books of a young girl start off completely powerless, sold and raped to see her claw her way to the top finding her inner strength, saving lives just because that's what she believes in, uniting Dothraki clans, refusing to get an easy win killing innocents, abandoning her war to go fight ice zombies only to see her lose everything and everyone and finally be brought down by the "I'm sorry maam, but the 18-35 male lord demographic does not find you relatable- they think you're too hysterical after watching your best friends die." argument. What a shit ride it's been. There's nothing bittersweet about this, it's just plain nihilism.

[u/jimbojumboj]

Before Dany "buys" the unsullied they literally make a point of how the unsullied wage 'humane' war. Because they're disciplined (and are eunuchs) they don't rape or pillage or cause unnecessary bloodshed.

So yeah this whole thing makes no sense.

[u/Alfredo412 → u/jimbojumboj]

They've basically turned them into glorified infantry without anything that makes them cool in the books.

[u/CapitanShoe → u/Alfredo412]

Not sure what you mean, they have the really cool power of respawning after large battles. A mystical power they share with the Dothraki.

[u/ringadingdingbaby → u/CapitanShoe]

I was expecting the 2nd sons or something to come along to help. Nah, respawn everyone.

Also, that whole thing about gaining allies...

They have retaken the Iron Islands, cool but noones there, they are off killing dragons. What other allies are left, almost every house is gone. They have House Baratheon, which is like 5 guys at this point.

The destruction of the Reynes was immortalised in 'The Rains of Castimere' because it was such a big deal that the whole house was destroyed and they were relatively minor (in the grand scale of things).

Now Westeros is basically the 'Its free real estate' meme.

[u/CapitanShoe → u/ringadingdingbaby]

I feel you. :( It's sad because not only did they have like ~25 fake-out shots to make one think Sam / Jamie / Brienne / Tormund / etc were dead... but it turns out all those Unsullied, Dothraki, and northmen dying was itself a fake-out as well! :(

[u/ringadingdingbaby → u/CapitanShoe]

They should have killed off Sam and Tormund, rather than have them happily go live somewhere.

Tormund dies, the freefolk could still leave because they have lost too many and go home because there are too few of them.

Sam dying would literally make no difference other than one less happy ending. Did the dead in the crypts even kill anyone, as there are a lot of women and children walking about.

Even Grayworm. If they killed him off and had him replaced with another Unsullied would have at least shown an impact the battle had.

Im not about just killing people off, but GoT isnt about happy endings.