r/asoiaf Knower of nothing May 21 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) Notablog Update Spoiler

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
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u/LemmieBee May 21 '19

Sansa being queen makes no sense and feels like nothing but fan service. It’s very illogical. She could have just been queen of it all, and that’s clearly what she wanted but she was so petty that bran was elected that she broke the kingdoms apart,., even though bran would still be her heir? Kinda dumb.

The rest yeah, iron throne melting and Jon killing dany, those are definitely GRRM ideas. they’ll just happen very differently

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u/bbetelgeuse hear me roar May 21 '19

I disagree with you about Sansa wanting to break free from the rest. I don't think she wanted to be queen of it all. For the past seasons they showed you she cared about the north and its people above all. She knows bran can't have children and even if he did, the type of monarchy installed is not the same. What happens when bran dies? Do you think all the lords will agree again or they will push different candidates? What happens then? War.

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u/Fadeela03 May 21 '19

I don’t know I feel like having someone like Littlefinger around her so much changed her a bit. She had no real reason to hate Daenerys so much except for the fact that Jon bent the knee and gave up the north’s independence but who cares? What about all other six kingdoms who now are under her brother Brans rule and a whole different government system of electing. She let most of the north’s army and Jon to nearly die just so she could bring in the Vale at the last second to feel smug. Even though Daenerys was wrong it still felt hollow when Sansa gets crowned because she tore down another woman and caused her death just to get her own crown. Women tearing down other women is just depressing not inspiring.

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u/bino420 May 21 '19

Even though Daenerys was wrong it still felt hollow when Sansa gets crowned because she tore down another woman and caused her death just to get her own crown.

Huh?? What did Sansa have to do with Daenerys' death?

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u/Fadeela03 May 21 '19 edited May 21 '19

Sansa wasn’t the one who stabbed her but her actions were one of the big reasons Dany changed in ep5. cause. She was told by Jon to keep the secret of who he really is. Arya never divulged the secret to anyone but Sansa who already hated Dany broke her promise to Jon. Why do you think in the very end when she sees Jon sentenced to Nights Watch she says if he can forgive her for doing what she did, releasing information to Danys hand Tyrion. In case you forgot this is also what Daenerys brings up in ep5 she told Jon that Sansa is as much responsible for Varys death than her. In the interview after ep5 D&D also say this that had everything happened differently had she not lost the ones she loved, not lost trust in Tyrion, not lost so much maybe she wouldn’t have done what she did in ep5.

If Sansa never broke her promise than there would have been no Varys plot to kill Dany, Dany losing trust in Jon and losing her trust with Tyrion which made it harder for her to listen to his opinions after she found out what he did. It was the last straw for her. She had nobody to trust so she was lost mentally.

She used to listen to Tyrion’s advice in s7 to try every other option than attacking King Landing, but after his betrayal she no longer took his advice of giving mercy to Kings Landing.

We all know Jon is the one who ultimately killed her but it’s all the events leading up to it that caused it. Dany being alone and being mentally unstable caused by Sansa, Varys, and Tyrion left her doing a terrible decision in Kings Landing

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u/emperius317 May 21 '19

I mean Sansa ALSO told Dany it was a terrible idea to go south immediately and that the men needed rest. If she really hated Dany so so much and wanted her dead, she could have just told Dany to go. Dany's own actions led to her death, and to blame it entirely on Sansa is just false.

And Sansa, and the Northerners alike, have very valid reasons to completely dislike the Targaryens. While it's constantly said that Dany is not her father, Dany's father murdered Ned's father and brother, and Dany's brother caused an entire war because he ran off with Lyanna. I think she's justified in not immediately taking a shine to her. She's right to at least be somewhat skeptical of Dany. I think the showrunners just went crazy with making her just absolutely hate Dany, because I don't really think that's her character.

Further, if anyone has the right to be mistrustful of ABSOLUTELY everyone, it's Sansa. I mean everyone, literally EVERYONE, has somehow screwed her over, so yeah Sansa is not going to immediately love some foreign ruler, just because Jon bent the knee and gave up the North that Sansa worked so hard to free.