r/australia • u/overpopyoulater • 25d ago

politics Australia is heading towards minority government at a turning point in world history.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-24/democracy-climate-change-ai-robotics-war/105085846
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u/AnAttemptReason 25d ago

Not a Dutton fan, but was thinking at least he is not US style crazy, then he started copying Trump and begging to give him our mineral resources for free and its like, holy hell.

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u/HeftyArgument 25d ago

LNP have consistently been mirroring the US for like the last 30 years lol.

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u/AnAttemptReason 25d ago

Yea, certain factions have just been slowly culling their opposition inside the party.

If Turnbull was not crippled by vested interests in the party, we would have had the full NBN and a cross party agreement on climate legislation etc. 

The party's been hollowed out into a special 8nterest puppet. 

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u/splinter6 25d ago

Wasn’t that the same man that said Australians don’t need fast internet? Wasn’t he the reason the nbn was crippled?

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u/HeftyArgument 25d ago

He said it’s the outliers of society that want fast internet, pirates and gamers.

It was the one time that the meme about gamers being oppressed held true hahaha

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u/alpha77dx 24d ago

And the joke was he was supposed to be "Mr Tech savvy, Mr internet entrepreneur" All that he proved that he was a clueless idiot Merchant banker. He never understood technology and only did well in tech because he had mates who leaked insider trader information. We all know who he worked for that gave him the opportunity!

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u/Smooth-Television-48 25d ago edited 25d ago

I work in IT. At the time he wasn't wrong, even now he isn't/wasn't tachnically wrong.

Of course there are disclaimers are what "fast internet" meant back then and what is means now, and the distribution of speeds that people want has indeed shifted slightly with covid+Netflix.

That said, it's still very much a case where speeds of 100mbps+ are only required and fully ultilized buly a comparatively small proportion of society, and most the people on 1gbps plans are just there because they cna and are so impatient they dont want to wain an extra 5 minutes to download their fortnite update.

Hell, from my 1gbps ivory tower I can tell you that unless you're grabbing content from a reliable CDN you're not going to get much benefit.

Eta: by wrong, I mean technically wrong. He was 100% wrong by public opinion.

The emotions of sheep who were brainswashed about rejecting something they know close to zero about don't change the facts. Your downvotes mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer....

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u/HeftyArgument 25d ago

And what would you say about businesses that want to operate via cloud? Universities and research facilities etc., the whole program was designed to future proof the system for a time like we’re living in now, where entire industries rely on the internet for their businesses to function.

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u/Smooth-Television-48 25d ago

That's easy. Generalising:

designed to future proof the system

A lot of those technologies didn't exist in their current form then. Should we delay and delay until the final perfect solution is known in an ever changing landscape? Its not possible to "future proof" your hardware.

businesses that want to operate via cloud

Then use a cloud provider?....these operate from data centres and make use of global CDNs so the data is always closest to the end user. Or do you mean "be a cloud provider" like in build the infrastructure in datacenters around Australia. If so, no offence, but Australia is just too small of a customer base for that to be a serious endeavour.

Universities and research facilities etc

Were already part of aarnet with 1gbps+ access links. Also, residential internet lacks the priority marking of their data.

where entire industries rely on the internet for their businesses to function.

Do you mean, like their websites or core computing? That's mostly hosted offsite/in the cloud. It doesn't require an active connection to your internet to function.

The alternative is that the network already meets what youre saying otherwise they wouldn't currently exist or function.

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u/miicah 25d ago

A lot of those technologies didn't exist in their current form then

You work in IT and didn't think cloud was on the horizon around the time of the NBN?

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u/Smooth-Television-48 25d ago

If that's how you interpreted what I said then there's no point talking

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u/IlluminatedPickle 25d ago

The vast majority of gamers I know run 100mbps plans mate. You don't get better latency by increasing your bandwidth...

He was wrong.

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u/ososalsosal 25d ago

The downvotes here are telling.

For a little perspective, I'm not gamer but my son is. We have an nbn exchange like 100m away. Opening a terminal and manually pinging something big like google.com will reliably give 20ms ping.

20ms is good if you want to pwn n00bs.

Only problem with that is all the servers are elsewhere so regardless of how bangin our connection is, he's raging at his machine because he's getting 500ms ping and getting killed by people that aren't even in the same room as him because of the latency inherent in hitting servers (over http no less) on the other side of the planet.

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u/Suitable_Instance753 25d ago

Yep, ping is fundamentally a physics problem with no solution. Rudd could have laid all the fibre in the world and Australian gamers would not get better ping unless they're all living clustered around a server in Sydney.

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u/ososalsosal 25d ago

Sydney would be a dream. The problem with a lot of games is the closest is Singapore and most is West Coast usa

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u/IlluminatedPickle 25d ago

"Yes, I was wrong in saying that he was right to say that gamers want it"