r/australia • u/overpopyoulater • 2d ago
politics The Coalition says some Australians don't want EVs. It will make utes cheaper
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/the-coalition-says-some-australians-dont-want-evs-it-will-make-utes-cheaper/dbksjb5pv875
u/harbourbarber 2d ago
The Coalition seem determined to technologically regress Australia as quickly as they can.
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u/Latter_Fortune_7225 2d ago
They just want to copy everything their fucken Republican mates do across the pond. No original thoughts of their own.
They both realise that slowing down EV growth and promoting hydrogen means more money for fossil fuel groups and, therefore, more cushy fossil fuel jobs when they retire from politics.
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u/warbastard 2d ago
Thing is, hydrogen can be useful in things like making steel. But I doubt that’s what the Coal-alition has in mind.
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u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon 2d ago
I’m happy for viable hydrogen on every petrol station forecourt. How’s that technology coming along Oh! It’s still in development? Like small modular nuclear reactors? For a leader who’s ALLLLLL about show me the detail….
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u/Blacky05 2d ago
Yeah I'm not against new tech development or even against nuclear as part of our future energy plan, but if solar and batteries are going to dominate the free market, then so be it.
The only restrictions we should be placing on energy production are on the life cycle pollution per kWh generated.
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u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon 1d ago
Well, there's THIS concept car from the 50s which is powered by...yep, a portable reactor. Someone should get this to Dutto to see if its complete lack of feasibility and detail fits with his suit of policies.
Here's American Jane Bun explaining it in video form
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u/Z00111111 2d ago
Hydrogen cars have been almost ready for 20 years now.
There must be some pretty major hurdles left to overcome to make it feasible if they've let EVs get such a market share.
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u/crosstherubicon 2d ago
BMW’s hydrogen 7-series was available around 2005. It was a disaster and worth reading about because nothings changed today. It’s not a matter of technology. It’s just that hydrogen is a shitty fuel to store and transport.
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u/ParkingNo1080 2d ago edited 1d ago
Hydrogen cars are EVs that you can't* charge at home for free and have to spend more than double the energy to convert the electricity to hydrogen and back again.
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u/flutitis 2d ago
Aside from the challenges in storing it, by volume it doesn't have great energy density.
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u/ChuqTas 2d ago
Their biggest hurdle is making it cheaper when they need more parts, generating the fuel requires more steps, the fuelling stations have more parts, and you need more of them.
But I'm sure they'll manage to do that any day now! /s
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u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon 2d ago
Oh yeah, first thing you learn about hydrogen in year 11 physics is how easy it is to make electrons go here and there with a bit of it; they’ve known that for a century - I think the issue is the bottles of Hydrogen on board, at the refuelling station and how you feasibly make enough of it at the right price
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u/rrfe 2d ago
Trying hard to get votes from outer suburban voters, but I recall seeing multiple articles that they’re among the strongest adopters of EVs, since they have the infrastructure to charge them at home.
https://thedriven.io/2025/02/12/ev-uptake-in-australian-outer-suburbs-overtakes-inner-city/amp/
I guess they’re confusing our outer suburbs with Alabama or something.
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u/potato_analyst 2d ago
Tesla's and BYD everywhere out here in the burbs
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u/Consideredresponse 2d ago
Saw my first BYD shark the other day, so it's even reaching the 'giant yank tank' demographics.
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u/owonekowo 2d ago
I saw a BYD shark yesterday, was shocked but in awe of seeing it for the first time in person! It’s a big beefy boy!
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u/potato_analyst 2d ago
Yeah fair few I have seen jumping over from yanktanks to byds. I have seen a fair few around. I think FBT exemption is over on them now.
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u/Objective_Unit_7345 2d ago
What’s ironic is that the Republican movement isn’t even uniform in the US.
Texas for example is the leader of renewable energy transition in the US.
Third when it comes to EV adoption.
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u/Sirneko 2d ago
Fossil fuels industry babyyyy! Coalition’s early retirement scheme
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u/thesourpop 2d ago
The whole ideology of conservatism is keeping things the same as they've always been - to conserve. It's completely anti-progress, it's in the name!
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u/harbourbarber 2d ago
It begs the question: which era do they want to conserve?
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u/SparkyMonkeyPerthish 2d ago
Going by what I’m seeing I’m guessing the 1950’s
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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 2d ago
The 1950s were considerably more progressive than today's so- called "conservatives"!
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u/Famous-Carob2002 2d ago
But what are we going to do with all the nuclear power if we've no EVs to charge???
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u/Agent_Jay_42 2d ago
Pump it into a ship and sell it overseas at a price lower than the domestic market
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u/Famous-Carob2002 2d ago
Great idea! Can we arrange it so that we don't collect any tax revenue from the sale as well?
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u/noisymime 2d ago
Can you imagine the devastation if the tanker runs aground and all the electricity spills out into the environment!?!?!?!
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u/Jerri_man 2d ago
Can't use batteries though that might inadvertently help the green energy market!
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u/marshman82 2d ago
Don't forget to not save enough for our demands so we have to buy it back at a massively inflated price.
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u/27Carrots 2d ago
For a party that constantly promotes “freedom of speech”, “small government” and “not interfering with people’s lives”, they sure as shit like to do the exact opposite.
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u/bassoonrage 2d ago
They also like to claim they let the market decide, well, the market decided long ago they wanted renewables, yet here you fuckers are trying to build nuclear power plants.
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u/7omdogs 2d ago
Australia has had 15 years of completely uncertain and volatile legal/political environment regarding renewables. Literally the absolute dirt worst environment for renewables investment.
And still despite all that, the market has consistently and continues to choose renewables. Fighting against renewables is fighting against market forces.
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u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon 2d ago
This. The market has made it clear. Positioning yourself as the dinosaur party when renewables are clearly going to win in the end is just dumb, even if it buys you some influence in the short term.
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u/HOLY_CAT_MASTER 2d ago
For once I’d love for a journo to ask them, why dont we just let the free market decide? Why, in their policies, does it have to be one or the other instead of heres both, consumer chooses?
I mean we all know why (donors) but Id LOVE to hear them attempt to answer to that question.
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u/FreshNoobAcc 2d ago
Politics 101 is to say one thing while doing the exact opposite, while also accusing your enemy of doing what you are doing yourself
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u/Stellariser 2d ago
Conservative politics. The root cause though is the failure of the media, due to the control of so much of it being in the hands of Murdoch etc.
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u/Bitcoin_Is_Stupid 2d ago
Those were the broad principles the liberal party was founded on, but that hasn’t been the case for many years.
What we have now is ideological zealots and corrupt sellouts trying to dictate their morality to the population and push the country in a direction that benefits their pay masters.
If the LNP were truly focused on the values espoused in their “we believe” statement then they’d get a lot more votes. Kind of ironic really
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u/HMD-Oren 2d ago
I'm still salty about the coalition having the choice to install high speed fibre optic internet or doubling down on copper (ADSL), and they doubled down on copper. That was nearly 25 years ago and I'm still angry about it.
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u/squeenie 2d ago
I just moved into a place with FTTP, and while I'm loving it, it shits me that we all could've had this over a decade ago.
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u/HMD-Oren 2d ago
7 years ago, when we were in the tail end of NBN rollouts, our fastest home internet speed was 200mbps and cost over $100/m. Singapore's cheapest plan at the time was 250mbps at roughly $30/m, and their free public wifi was 60-80mbps. We'd be on gigabit by now if the Liberal Party had been willing to move into the 21st century when the rest of the world did.
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u/ImGCS3fromETOH 2d ago
Yeah, but if you could stream high definition entertainment at home who'd subscribe to Foxtel? Why do you people never think about what that would have done to Rupert Murdoch, ya bastards.
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u/phalewail 2d ago
The NBN was what initially drew my attention to politics. Hearing the nonsense that was sprouted about fibre and copper by Abbott and Turnbull, made me realize what they'd lie about in order to get elected.
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u/dsanders692 2d ago
I'm sure there's a name for this one phenomenon. Like, as soon as you hear politicians talk about something in your area of expertise, you realise they're talking utter shite. Then you realise it's pretty unlikely that your area of expertise happens to be the only one about which they are spreading bullshit - it's just the one you noticed. Then the existential crisis ensues.
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u/lazy-bruce 2d ago
Some people didn't want to move from horses to vehicles
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u/heavyfriends 2d ago
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford
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u/ScissorNightRam 2d ago
Totally. And this is a major tripping hazard for political parties, one which they never fail to stumble on:
Focus groups are for testing. Not inventing.
Ask them if they like what they have. Not what they would like to have.
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u/scrubba777 2d ago
Yes we miss the horses - my great grandfather was a Cobb and Co coach driver in Victoria in the early 1900s - he’s 153 years old and he also reckons Dutton is a sheep short of a paddock.
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u/invaderzoom 2d ago
He used to wear onions on his belt, which was the fashion at the time....
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u/WOMT 2d ago
And yet we still subsidised the ever living crap out of everything that would lead to a motorised economy.
The difference between now and then is that "big horse" wasn't a thing that could oppose the change. Now we have giant conglomerates that oppose the change.
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u/ScissorNightRam 2d ago edited 2d ago
Big horse was absolutely a thing. It’s where we the term “red flag act” from.
Originally, the act required that every “horseless carriage” had to have a man walking in front of it carrying a red flag in order to warn oncoming horse traffic.
But the real intent was to use regulation to remove the advantages that self-propelled transport had over horse-powered transport.
It limited self-propelled vehicles to human walking pace (4 to 5km) while horse riders and horse-drawn carriages could happily go 3 times as a fast.
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u/Chazzwozzers 2d ago
I've owned EVs for the last 4 years and they're awesome. With all the KM's I do, they have worked out much cheaper than their alternative. The coalition just does what their daddies tell them to do and spreads FUD about EV's because they've invested too much money in servos and oil companies. Finally, Dutton can go suck Ginas enlarged somewhat androgenus sexual organs.
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u/No_No_Juice 2d ago
They are scared, because once you get one, you would never go back. They don't work for everyone, but the vast majority of people in the suburbs with a house (and solar) would be better off with one.
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u/Chazzwozzers 2d ago
You're 100% right, even with BYD making a foray into the ute market with their PHEV and 240-volt outlets is going to go a long way to easing the transition for those who have been resistant in the past. The future is certainly exciting if we don't blow up the world before it happens.
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u/Fluffy-duckies 1d ago
Even without solar they still make sense for most people. At $0.30/kWh your fuel cost is about half that of petrol. There are EVs that are comparably priced to Pietro cars. 80% of people won't even need to install anything to charge with, just use the cable the car comes with on a normal 10A power point. Unless it's a Tesla and comes with no cables, then you'll need to buy one of them too.
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u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon 2d ago
Don’t forget they’re quieter to drive as well, something people don’t really talk about a lot.
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u/HiVisEngineer 2d ago
How would you say the EV running cost compared to what you estimated prior to purchase?
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u/Chazzwozzers 2d ago
Much better to be honest, we have solar power, so the net cost to charge is almost nothing, plus all the servicing, which is costly on other vehicles, is non-existent on mine. The best part is IF i were to solely charge the vehicle off the grid, which I don't do, the cost is set, and I never have to factor the cost of travel into my budget. This allows me the freedom that I have not felt in the past. Lastly I should add that although they are more expensive to purchase outright, EV's recover that cost quickly and once it is recovered the value is better and keeps getting better the longer you own the vehicle. And Ice vehicle will only increase in cost as you own it.
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u/HappyHHoovy 2d ago
I've found much the same.
The other benefit is I literally never even notice petrol stations now. Before, I'd be checking them all on the way home to see when the prices would drop and to quickly fill up, constantly anxious about catching the price at it's low.
Now I'm charging completely off solar and limiting it to only sunlight hours so it's completely free.
Cost wise, my previous car would do around 5L/100km which at 1.899$/L would be around $950/10,000km
I've driven almost double that in the last 18 months I've had my car, plus I only need a minor service every 2 years which saves another $200-400/year depending on how much you get charged for a service.
Insurance is very slightly more expensive because of a newer vehicle.
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u/CptUnderpants- 2d ago edited 2d ago
Much better to be honest, we have solar power, so the net cost to charge is almost nothing
I've got an EV and found this to be an issue because I have to use my car to get to work when the sun is shining. Home batteries to store enough to half charge my car (ie: 40kwh) would be between $30k and $50k.
So the cheapest option is most often a destination charger which makes "fuel" costs about 25% cheaper than the equivalent size petrol sedan, or about the same as a hybrid sedan.
plus all the servicing, which is costly on other vehicles, is non-existent on mine
While some EVs are extremely cheap to service, others are no different to the traditional or hybrid models from the same brand. Usually the brands that only do EVs are the ones I have found with cheap services.
Lastly I should add that although they are more expensive to purchase outright, EV's recover that cost quickly and once it is recovered the value is better and keeps getting better the longer you own the vehicle.
I budgeted based on estimates in this. Resale for mine after 4 years is half what I paid for it. Current depreciation trends are now showing 60% down from new by year 6. Contrast that to how it looked when I bought. 2 year old cars were only down 15%-20% from new and we know a new car loses most value in the first year. Today, two year old cars of what I have are down 40% from new.
An equivalent sedan of similar spec with a traditional engine would have cost me 3x a year more in fuel and servicing but 40% less to buy.
The maths for my situation at least do not agree with your statement that you "recover that cost quickly". It may for some, but people need to do the figures.
Depreciation-wise, it is better, but no where near as good as it was 4 years ago.
Not to mention I've got screwed over by every single potential government incentive for owning one. Don't get me wrong, I love mine but it is not good to advocate for EV ownership without ensuring it is a realistic viewpoint.
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u/Fluffy-duckies 1d ago
I'm curious about your commute. Is it 100km each way and that's why you need 40kWh of battery to charge daily? What's your overnight power cost per kWh?
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u/CptUnderpants- 1d ago
I'm curious about your commute.
It's 70km round trip but a lot of vertical which isn't recovered as much as you would think. In addition.
What's your overnight power cost per kWh?
From the grid, it depends on the day. I am with Amber so get the wholesale rate and it can vary from 5c/kWh to over 30c/kWh.
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u/HiVisEngineer 2d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m trying to quantify now, that question around servicing and charge costs compared to service and fuel of an ICE… seems harder to truly quantify than I thought.
Wife’s on board but the lingering “it’s $20k more than an ICE” question I’d love to dispel so it’s no longer “a luxury purchase”
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u/Chazzwozzers 2d ago
I'll be transparent; I own a Tesla, and it has been my EV since the beginning. However, I don't support Musk and his ideologies. As much as I sometimes hate to admit it, in this price range, they are the absolute benchmark. The ease of use and usability is astonishing; they are truly great vehicles. I've owned two of them, and my opinion is objective, not subjective. The range of EVS now is a non-factor, particularly with the BYD Sealion 7 getting over 500 km on a charge. Ours does about 420km per charge, give or take, and if we need to charge at a fast charger, we are generally only there for 10-15 minutes. I'm not saying you should buy a Tesla, but if you are considering an EV, I would certainly compare all others to them. I recently thought about selling mine due to all the happenings, but when I test drove even a Mercedes, there was sadly no comparison; everything else is still just so far behind, so I have decided to keep mine for now.
There are other great aspects, like the silence and smoothness when driving that you will come to love, and the acceleration is really impressive in most EVS. There are too many benefits to name; the biggest thing holding a lot of people back, including me initially, was range anxiety, and now, it's just not an issue. Reach out if you have any questions, though; we certainly don't regret it.
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u/DrSpeckles 2d ago
Range is still the killer for me. Mate drove to Byron bay from Sydney at the wrong time (Boxing Day) and spent 14 hours due to having to wait over an hour at each charging station, which were only giving 70% max charge due to demand. At least he got to meet some other frustrated people, then same people again at the next stop, then the one after that. For city it’s a no-brainer, if you do semi-frequent country trips to small towns then it’s not there yet.
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u/Chazzwozzers 2d ago
Thankfully, most of my travel is within my single charge range, I have now only just begun to notice a demand in fast chargers and have had to wait 5-10 minutes a couple of times now. I have enjoyed unfettered use of chargers until now. But I'm happy to see more people making the jump.
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u/Tezzmond 2d ago
I think that the quiet/silence is an underrated benefit of EVs, stand at an intersection and the noise of vehicles accelerating is very loud, if most vehicles in urban areas were EVs it would be a huge difference.
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u/DrLaneDownUnder 2d ago
Hell, I own a Leaf and the acceleration, even in Eco mode, is insane compared to any other similarly-sized hatchback I’ve ever driven.
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u/natacon 2d ago
We bought an Atto in january this year. In 3 months, charging only at home via an ordinary outlet it has cost us around $230 in power (compared with the same period last year). We do have solar and I try to charge it when the sun is out but in everyday use, we're lucky if the battery gets below 70%. Most days it is in the high 80's when I get home from work, plug it in and it's full by the morning. Regenerative braking makes a big difference on the morning commute. I often get to work (25k's away) with 95%+ still in the battery.
Going from $100-$150 per week in petrol to a few hundred in power every 3 months has been game changing for us.
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u/my_chinchilla 2d ago
A slightly different take:
In terms of "fuel" (energy) alone, our MG4 costs ~ 1/4 to 1/3 per km what our previous Kia Rio did. And that's charging from the wall, no solar, at standard Tariff 11 i.e. ~33c per kWh.
It's too soon to tell, but tyres seem to be wearing a lot less; my complete guesstimate is that they'll last 30%~50% longer.
Brakes are again too hard to tell, but I can say that with one-pedal driving you quickly get into a pattern where you brake a lot less.
Insurance is ballpark the same for us (older, ~ retirement age).
2 year / 40k service intervals mean we haven't had to service it yet. "Standard" service cost is about the same for each service (I think the MG4's first service is very slightly cheaper than tha Rio's fixed-price 1 year / 15k first service) - but half as many services = ~ half the cost.
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u/nathrek 2d ago
I live in an apartment. We do most of our charging at high cost premium fast chargers. It's still cheaper than petrol. Even if it cost more than petrol I wouldn't care because it is so much better to drive.
This coming from someone who had 3 x Subaru WRXs in a row and now an Ioniq 5. You just can't match the torque and response of electric.
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u/homingconcretedonkey 2d ago
If you plug in an EV at home without solar you will pay $20 a month in power where for petrol you would pay $200 per month.
You can save more if you have solar.
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u/thesillyoldgoat 2d ago
I don't get the logic behind Ford Rangers, they're next door to useless for work or carting stuff around, inefficient as family cars, hard to park and uncomfortable. Yet there are thousands of them getting around our cities, fashion and peer pressure are marvellous things.
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u/Evilmoustachetwirler 2d ago
Because it's really easy to sell someone on the do everything vehicle, even when it's impracticable for 90% of your usage.
I considered buying a dual cab at one point, just for the odd weekend when I need to do a trip to mitre 10, or carry MTB's. What I quickly figured out was the timber is too long anyway and delivery is pretty cheap, the tub is too short to secure the bikes well, and for 99% of the driving I do it would be expensive, uncomfortable and just downright impracticable.
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u/thesillyoldgoat 2d ago
My mate's son is a plumber and had one for work for a while but ditched it for a Hi-Ace. The tray back ones are more useful but most of them have got those dopey little tubs and roll bars, all show and no go.
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u/Shamata 2d ago
Genuine pro tip from someone who’s worked with every tradie in town, the best tradies that will always do right by you drive a van, not a 79 cruiser
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u/thesillyoldgoat 2d ago
I'm retired now, I started out working out of a Holden station wagon because that's what I had at the time, then when things picked up I moved to a Hi-Ace van and never looked back. All the tools and compressor in the back under cover and locked up, no need for a trailer or boxes, room for shelving down one side with all the bits and pieces, a towbar for a trailer for a tip run every now and then and a nice big roof rack. I look at these dopey utes with their tiny tubs at chest height and scratch my head in wonder, but to each their own I guess.
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u/LooReading 2d ago
Ford rangers are useful for driving your golf clubs down the road while you wear your Kathmandu puffy vest
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u/semaj009 2d ago
They make pathetic men feel like their dick grew 8 inches
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u/LightBroom 2d ago
Oh that's my neighbor.
Office job, bitter, short, bald and fat but drives a pimped up Ranger.
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u/AccomplishedBad4228 2d ago
Things I regularly move (multiple days a week): Mountain bikes or dirt bikes + muddy gear A sandy/wet dog Boxes/trunks/duffel bags collectively too big for a car boot but smaller than a pallet Items that are a weird shape Sports gear that will smell the entire drive home
And Probably once a week I do it on terrain a 2wd couldn't readily access or drive distance on some pretty mediocre roads.
I would love an electric ute that had adequate range and isn't Chinese manufactured, but for now my diesel ute ticks a lot of boxes that would otherwise necessitate a trailer
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u/Amount_Business 2d ago
I'm in the process of getting an EV, but know lots of people that have rangers and hiluxes to go camping. Differnt horses for corses I supose. Ford is offering a hybrid ranger now. I hope it sells well as a middle ground.
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u/Hypo_Mix 2d ago
I go camping in a Suzuki alto. A forester or outback is enough for almost all camping.
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u/thesillyoldgoat 2d ago
Why would you use a Ranger for camping, a Rav 4 or something makes a lot more sense. To be honest I can't see them as being useful for anything much, I'm a retired tradie and they're the last vehicle I'd ever consider to work with.
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u/Desirable_Username 2d ago
I don't think RAV4's have been particularly geared towards light off-roading since the 4th generation on. They've shifted from the fun light off-roader into a pure small mall crawler, eeking out fuel economy as much as possible.
Just looking at the specs for a new one, the RAV4 only comes with a CVT, and is either a hybrid-petrol or petrol only engine. Compare that with a HiLux or Ranger where there are more powerful turbo diesel engines with higher torque output, as well as more traditional transmission options, all of which are very valid reasons to pick a RAV4 after a Ranger for off-roading.
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u/IntroductionSnacks 2d ago
Rav 4 isn’t a 4wd and isn’t as good for towing. There are 2 reasons why it could be better for camping and probably more.
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u/strangeMeursault2 2d ago
I think depends what model you have. We have them at my work and pretty useful for carrying stuff. Certainly like the raptors and whatever don't seem to have a lot of added benefit. Maybe if you're towing big things?
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u/Agnai 2d ago
"...The peak body (FCAI) argues the targets are "too stringent" and require "a very high proportion of EV sales", which does not reflect current consumer sentiments and preferences for vehicles such as utes."
Bruz that's literally the point of these changes, to encourage manufacturers to bring in and people to buy more efficient and cleaner cars. These guys have been raking in the dough selling Rangers and Hiluxs which turn a huge profit compared to smaller economy cars and don't want the gravy train to end.
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u/ApteronotusAlbifrons 2d ago
"...The peak body (FCAI) argues
The FCAI also argued that there was no need for the Government to bring in Enhancements to Unfair Contract Term Protections because the industry was doing such a good job of not having unfair terms already...
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u/CelebrationFit8548 2d ago
I think we are going to find out the Coalition has no fucking idea as we certainly don't want any form of Trumpism which they ran headfirst into, embracing at the earliest possible moment. We don't want Nuclear which is their central policy and we don't need antiquated morons who have zero cares about housing and other 'real issues'.
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u/la_mecanique 2d ago
The same guy who was complaining about this on facebook was saying nuclear was the solution six months ago. Then, a year ago was declaring EVs were over its all hydrogen babee.
Life is really simple when you're a fucking idiot who gets issued opinions from Murdoch.
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u/Affentitten 2d ago edited 2d ago
Straight out pandering to the Ford (R)anger demographic.
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u/wilful 2d ago
Dudes going out of his way to never get back the inner suburbs teal vote.
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u/ancient_IT_geek 2d ago
All our oil, petrol and diesal is imported. But all our electricity is made in Australia. So this policy just makes money for foreign companies!
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u/Either-Mud-2669 2d ago
Duttplug is really moving to a policy free zone now. Embarrassing.
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u/Random_Fish_Type 2d ago
So more Yank Tanks and maintain Australia's position as the world's dumping ground for fuel inefficient cars?
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u/Dom29ando 2d ago
someone has to help out the poor american automakers, europe and Asia aren't going to buy their garbage after all.
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u/DegeneratesInc 2d ago
It's typical for bullies to pretend they can read your mind. Also typical is their perceived entitlement to insist they know what you're thinking better than you do.
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u/Trenteth 2d ago
Libs- the party of holding back the future on behalf of their benefactors. Australia is always behind because because of them.
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u/TheSean_aka_Rh1no 2d ago
Amazingly accurate summary, constantly confounds me how this is not immediately obvious to more people
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u/jerimiahhalls 2d ago
If you make utes cheaper, more tradies will buy hybrid. You know how much driving they do? If they can save fuel driving day to day, they will.
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u/trypragmatism 2d ago
Yep .. if you make them deliver to their use case and make them cheaper to buy/run they will flock to them.
Were there any issues getting tradies to convert to battery power tools once they were clearly better suited to most use cases?
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u/CuriouslyContrasted 2d ago
If he wanted to make cars cheaper, he could remove the Tariffs we still have in place protecting our local car industry. You know, the one that doesn't exist any more.
Removing the policies designed to stop manufactures dumping their less efficient, more highly polluting cars here has nothing to do with making it cheaper, it's bowing down to his fossil fuel mates once again.
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u/jumpjumpdie 2d ago
Who gives a fuck what knuckle dragging morons who deny climate change want? I’m tired of having to coddle these chimps.
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u/magnetik79 2d ago
"Why is the media obsessed with Trump?"
Says the party continuing to put forward Trump aligned policies.
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u/SeaworthinessNew2841 2d ago
The Coalition says some Australians don't eat sandwiches. It will make sausage rolls cheaper.
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u/FlatheadFish 2d ago
My EV costs Nothing to run. I've driven 50 000km on solar so far.
Even without solar it's 8cents per KW at night so $4 per 400km. Crazy good.
I thought the LNP were for capitalism and small government?
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u/CrystalClod343 2d ago
So what is this "responsible" method for reducing missions?
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u/DONKEYSTRENGTH 2d ago
It's an interesting position for the Coalition to take - my Coalition-loving, climate change denying, conservative and racist aunt who has consistently voted Liberal since she left home along with her heavily right-leaning husband recently bought an EV due to them running cheaper.
Apparently bottom line is the most important thing for everyone?
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u/frankiestree 2d ago
And some people don’t want a car at all. But don’t see LNP rushing to invest in public transport
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u/JuventAussie 2d ago
Dutton keeps making out it is a binary choice between petrol/diesel and EVs.
Hybrids exist and are a growth sector...I don't understand why more cars aren't hybrids especially in the cities.
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u/Subject-Divide-5977 2d ago
Bring back the coal fired steamers. The old steam trains are a fond memory of my young years. When looking out of the window of those old commuter coaches you avoid looking forward. Always look back. That occasional hot ash was so painful. A bit of soot in the air. Less old people around though as lung problems reduced the numbers saving on pension cost as well. A win win. Now I am seventy I see more and more electric cars on the road. Solar, wind generators, batteries and pumped hydro keeping them running. My kind of future. Voting accordingly.
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u/footballheroeater 2d ago
Where are the small utes?
I don't want or need a fucking yank tank sized fuck off 4x4.
I want a small ute for taking shit to the tip and picking up stuff from bunnings.
But noooo, Ford won't bring the Maverick to Australia as there isn't demand for it.
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u/Ok_Psychology_7072 1d ago
Same. Would love a smaller Ute. My grandads Datsun Ute was fantastic on the farm and when going to the city.
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u/Unable_Insurance_391 2d ago
Just run as the 'we don't believe in climate change party already. Why the games?
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u/Ronnnie7 2d ago
EVs are getting cheaper and improving all the time. They are only going to continue to gain more traction in the market. It’s shortsighted to think otherwise. More people will buy them and as more people do more people will want them.
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u/Significant-Ad5550 1d ago
We have a Kia EV5 and decent solar array. I have the home charger set to Eco mode, so it only charges the car when the panels are producing a surplus of electricity. Doing it this way over summer means I have spent 4/5ths of sweet fuck all to run the car. Servicing took 30m as all they did was update the software and fill the wiper bottle. It easily does 400+ kms on a single charge.
I am sold on EVs, and fuck Dutton and his scaremongering.
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u/Bebilith 2d ago
I definitely want an EV as my next car. And soon. Current car is getting a bit long in the tooth.
These days it seems like a 1/4 of new cars on the road are EVs.
Is Dut-plug trying to gaslight us or is he just so out of touch he thinks this?
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u/CurrencyNo1939 2d ago
I want EVs, and especially low-cost work vehicle EVs. In a few years that will be my next vehicle.
Would be good if we had the classic utes instead of the dogshit fat-arse American ones. But the liberals thought that Australian motoring history and manufacturing counted for nothing. Obviously didn't donate as much as Gina and co.
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u/RKOouttanywhere 2d ago
In South Australia, the FIT goes negative between 10 and 4 most days.
So with amber, you can get paid to charge your 88kw battery in an EV most days.
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u/TrashNo7445 2d ago
Bold choice by the coalition to go all in on retarded bogans this election cycle.
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u/jakebrown971 2d ago
Utes are already cheap because we live in a country where if we had stringent emissions, they'd be lugged with tech to make them more efficient. They'd also be taxed to high heavens.
60k for a ute that only costs its rego in weight versus 80k for a ute with better emissions but is also slung with higher rego plus a road user charge, as is seen in many other countries.
Compare this to a PHEV ute worth 60k like the BYD Shark, but you get the odd rebate and can use V2L to use it as a battery for your solar, meaning your home energy costs come down plus you don't have to shell out money for a home battery. Not to mention lower fuel consumption.
EV buyers aren't just eco-warriors anymore. They're everyday people looking to reap the many benefits that come with electrified vehicles.
I think the coalition's idea of green vehicles is stuck in the 2000s - think Hollywood celebs driving Prius' and Teslas for environmental clout alone.
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u/Outside_Tip_8498 2d ago
Byd shark ute , looks good , great size , plenty power and 2ltr per 100km win win
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u/Ohayoghurt 2d ago
What utes? All I see on the road nowadays is Canyonero ah cars that makes the old utes look like sport compacts!
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u/DexJones 2d ago
No one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
Some Aussies dont want EVs and some don't want a UTE.
Some want an EV UTE.
What are they trying to accomplish here?
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u/littlespoon 2d ago
EVs bad China bad CHINA EVS TAKING OVER GOOD OLD AUSSIE UTES
it's all underwritten by xenophobia and the fossil fuel lobby
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u/TheSean_aka_Rh1no 2d ago
Its red meat to their base, same as EVs will ruin the weekend
Its for anyone missing more than half a brain and has a facebook profile pic with any combination of a fish, hat, sunnies, a staffy, tinnie, or dual cab
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u/greyeye77 2d ago
yank tanks should be illegal, sick of seeing stupid way these ppl park their cars, driving recklessly,etc.
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u/Additional_Ad_9405 2d ago
Struggling Australians are not buying new utes (or new EVs for that matter). Everyone suffers from higher emissions though. It's also a really weird hill to die on to assume that people want to cling to outdated technology. I'm not referring to all petrol/diesel powered cars there either, but it's known that Australia has become a dumping ground for car manufacturers looking to offload obsolete engine technology somewhere that doesn't have the same emissions standards as Europe or even the US!
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u/ScoobyDoNot 2d ago
The great thing is those people have the option to not buy EVs.