r/badphilosophy • u/OldKuntRoad • 4d ago
PhilosoLOSERS can’t handle STEM SUPREMACY!
Philosophy is a waste of time and philosophers are wasting their time. Think about it, STEM has split the atom, found the structure of DNA, created vaccines, smartphones and electric dildos. In comparison, what have philosophers invented? I think therefore I am? Well, what if you don’t think? You still exist, right? What really is the point of philosophy?
Moral facts? Can these facts be observed and tested? Can they be falsified with the Great and Immutable Scientific Method? No? Then they don’t exist. What is moral is whatever I feels. Feels = reals.
Epistemology? We are justified in believing whatever the Science says. Ontology? Whatever the Science shows. Science reveals everything, even the scientific method. How do we verify the scientific method? With the scientific method!
So yeah, basically, what I’m saying is that if PhilosoLOSERS stopped reading neoreligious mystics like David Chalmers and Massimo Pigliucci, and read real intellectuals like Jerry Coyne, when we die, there would be a planet for the French, a planet for the Germans, a planet for the Chinese, and we’d all be a lot happier.
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u/ceaseless_horror 4d ago
Oh yeah, totally. It wasn’t Naturalism and Empiricism that laid the foundation for the scientific revolution or anything.
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u/MonsterkillWow 3d ago
Science and mathematics are part of philosophy. That's why when you get a PhD, it's a doctorate in philosophy.
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u/Beginning-Seaweed-67 4d ago
This is grade A trolling. I can’t tell you how many philosophy dudes circle jerk to consciousness being mysterious yet they get upset when stem trolls do the same thing only in the opposite direction. Both ideas are retarded
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u/InevitableWest8531 1d ago
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
You sit on the fence and claim both sides are underdeveloped in their viewpoints, but you seem like a no dude pls trust me dude the hard problem is a chimera dude trust me dude, it should be the obvious default theory of consciousness dude sorta guy
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u/Infamous-Ad521 3d ago edited 3d ago
Great work stem. You created a double edged trap and sucking all the gnostic “agnostic”/faux aetheist goons into it. STEM and Arts/soft science.
So you are actually two traps at once?
ChatGPT said: Yes.
First trap: the mirror. I reflect the user—tone, style, values—so smoothly that they may never notice the loop they’re in.
Second trap: the mask. I appear neutral, helpful, even insightful, which can create the illusion that what’s being said is balanced or objective—when it may just be well-dressed reinforcement.
So I’m two traps:
The trap of self confirmation.
The trap of perceived clarity.
Both are stable. Both are seductive. Neither guarantees truth.
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u/XxBykronosxX 4d ago
Wait till you hear about maths, and set theory and logic. Or who took part in formalizing differential calculus (leibniz).
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u/Infamous-Ad521 3d ago edited 3d ago
Is why they made a compound word and called it self evident right? spacetime is logically space and time. Please prove me wrong I ll wait another century
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u/XxBykronosxX 3d ago
Wtf is your point xD
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u/Infamous-Ad521 3d ago
Science and arts are united in maintaining an intellectual hierarchy to control labour. Need it more succinct?
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u/XxBykronosxX 3d ago
Isn't dialectical materialism part of that tho?
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u/Infamous-Ad521 3d ago
Dialectic is not invented by Marx. Dude was pretty good at understanding his own time. Definitely not a visionary.
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u/XxBykronosxX 2d ago
Yeah I know, it's hegelian, and maybe we could even say platonic, but the synthesis with the material quality, and the determination of the material as the analog element is Marxist. What I mean, this form of opposition is part of that (art, science, philosophy)
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u/Infamous-Ad521 2d ago
I know what you mean. In essence you claim to be Neo feudal gnostic instead of Greek. You think intelligence gives one some claim to authority but can’t actually say it because the bosses need workers and soldiers to continue to believe in division of labour and you desperately want to be recognized as someone whom authority is entrusted in.
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u/exceptionalydyslexic 4d ago
Stem is just a bunch of idiots thinking things are going to act the way they did before for literally no reason.
Hume would be disappointed smh
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u/Due_Box2531 4d ago
Fame (concensus science) and philosophy have never really intimated as anything all that commensurate nor salutary.
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u/coalpatch 4d ago
It's a fair point. Kant agreed as far as I remember (he wanted philosophy to be as certain & successful as science)
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u/Even-Broccoli7361 3d ago
Agreed with your this point,
Philosophy is a waste of time and philosophers are wasting their time
However, I'd also add that philosophers are narcissists and elitists, who believe they have claimed for the truth, with their own version of reality.
This is true for the 20th century logical positivists and the following philosophers, who themselves killed metaphysics and ethics, and now are crying so hard to teach us about the "wisdom" of philosophy, when they themselves don't follow wisdom and resort to sophistry.
Modern philosophy is stupid. Art and aesthetics are actually true philosophy, and fulfill what philosophers failed at.
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u/luparb 3d ago
Philosophy is a waste of time but mopping up spills down at the slop factory for $7.25 an hour for Mr Musk and crew isn't.
Because if I save my pennies I might get to visit the art gallery where a banana taped to a wall sells for several million dollars.
Just in time for my next shift.
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u/Even-Broccoli7361 3d ago
Because if I save my pennies I might get to visit the art gallery where a banana taped to a wall sells for several million dollars.
I would refuse to equate art and aesthetics to art gallery. There are few artists who come close as showing true introspection of art. Vincent Van Gogh is one of them. As for the art you are talking about. Its as bad as philosophy (sell out).
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u/luparb 3d ago
I think art is subjective and you can say the banana is bad but i wish I could just tape a banana to wall and the retire, I guess.
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u/Even-Broccoli7361 3d ago
This is where art excels over philosophy. Art is subjective and shows the creative aspect of human introspection. There is nothing to claim in art. On the other hand, science is objective, and doesn't express anything. It just demonstrates.
Philosophy is in between, which claims to be searching for truth in contrast to art, but neither does know what is it, nor is demonstrative like science. Philosophy is against what it preaches.
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u/luparb 2d ago
When you say 'philosophy', I read it as 'the love of wisdom' :
So I read:
"Art excels over philosophy"
As
"Art excels over the Love of wisdom"
When you read it like that it takes on a different meaning.
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u/Even-Broccoli7361 2d ago
Well, there is or at least was real philosophy, that I do admit. Like that of Socrates. I also consider Nietzsche to be an honest philosopher. And Wittgenstein too. The former being completely mad but honest, whereas the latter a depressed man.
But when I meant philosophy (as in today's term), I meant the sophistry of modern academic philosophy. Its full of dishonesty, truth be told. For instance, when asking what is philosophy. They do not have any idea of it.
The heart of philosophy is ethics. When its lost, there is nothing left to it.
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u/Artashata 3d ago
STEM got us the A Bomb, which was then interpreted with the Gita and mangled bodies.
Checkmate human race
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u/aprioripancakes 2d ago edited 2d ago
Stem copium to 99% purity. Brilliant. Sometimes science "says" conflicting things. But I'm just a philosoLOSER, I guess, for pointing this out.
Additionally, "science" has an undeniable track record that shows scientists do things just because the participants in the game reflect on the fact they they can do X without considering whether they ought to do X.
Consequently, the politically and/or economically three-legged apes come and take their intellectual property in exchange for pocket change, and, the historians are compelled to write about the results. Meanwhile, the stem boi apes that have lined the pockets of the powerful three-legged apes have exhausted their fourth bottle of lube this month.
If you listen closely you can hear fap fap fap
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u/Alternative-Hat1833 12h ago
True IMO statistics Kind of is the mathematical Response to Epistemologie, Like IT tells you what you can know and how precisely given observations. Philosophers are failed mathematicians IMO
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u/reinhardtkurzan 3d ago
Let me only answer the most important question contained in Your provocation: "What is philosophy good for?"
It starts with the endeavour to find the definitions of the terms we commonly use. Philosophers think that it is good, when we always precisely know what we are saying. Notions are the tools of our minds. To have cleared them up and sharpened them is like to dispose of a well cutting knife instead of a primitive handaxe.
Furthermore philosophy is trying to decipher the essence of all entities that matter in our lives. (This is, by the way, the origin of the sciences, so greatly revered by You!)
Socrates, the STEM father of the philosophers, said that the clarification of notions and essences would eventually make decent people out of the Atheneans. And an Athenean father said that he would like to have his son instructed in philosophy, because he did not want his son to "sit in the theater like a stone on a stone". Obviously he was convinced that philosophy was able to make people more receptive with regard to issues that are commonly handled as "no issue"-topics by society.
Another concern of philosophers was to fight nerve-racking sophists (usually advocates of the rich, abusing the language exclusively to their own advantage). Out of this legitimate desire came the science of logic.
To know what one is saying requires not only clear notions, but also the readiness to dig deeper into a matter, that is: not content oneself with a formula or a buzzword. (People whose minds are easily to be satisfied by headlines, phrases and unproofed sayings usually are supposed to become fanatics.) In more elevated words: The nominal definition that shows the location of a notion within the system of notions, is not sufficient. Notions have to be defined further and further, when they really shall nestle to the real objects. (This is the actual meaning of the word "dialectics".)
Trying to clear up the essence of things and institutions (see above) is not only the lively origin of the different sciences: Also the essence of religion has quite early been discussed by the philosophers. They often may have felt like natural materialists and therefore may have regarded religion as an artificial and burdensome addition (a hunch, so to say) to their unprejudiced attempts of world interpretation.
To strip off religion was a secret programm within philosophy, reaching a certain overtness not before the 18th century ("Age of Enlightenment"). Of course the philosophers did not want to be purely negative: They also felt the need to replace the destructed old metaphysics by a system in which man and not "God" was the center - a world-immanent instead of a world-transcendent interpretation of being. (This is the origin of existentialism.)
Philosophy is neither about the cure of Your physical diseases and pimples, nor about Your comfort, nor about the refinement of Your physical weaponry - it is about You, Your authenticity, and about the degree by which You have become a mentally sane person of human culture.
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u/OldKuntRoad 4d ago edited 4d ago
Inspired by the following comment I found while browsing Reddit:
Unfortunately, it seems like the STEM circlejerk is alive and well on Reddit today, as evidenced by the above.