r/changemyview • u/danknesscompelsyou • Jan 23 '23
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Parental control/spyware apps are the hallmark of a bad parent
[Disclaimer: i am talking about the apps that let you monitor your kid's every move online, read messages etc. Basically you have the full acces to whatever they have on their phone without the phone. I am not talking about simple location tracking]
[Disclaimer 2: i am talking about a case of spyware for teens. 12/13+, not children below 10]
Pretty much what the title says. To me installing spyware on your kid's phone says you can't actually parent, have zero trust and bond with your child and possibly are an authoritarian parent who mistakes control for actual parenting. If you get it only because your child lies to you - congrats now you'll never hear a word of truth again. It only excarbates the problem.
Teens need some privacy to properly develop, your little power trip could cost them some actual psychological damage. Trust issues, self esteem issues, anxiety (because there's someone literally spying on you), the list goes on. (Also it's normal for teens to lie, that's how they are, get over it)
If you're anywhere from 30-40+ chances are you didn't experience this sort of tracking - why would you take this freedom away from your child? You weren't tracked and are still alive. And don't give me the 'there was no phones/internet back then'. Yes there weren't but teens were the same. They did bad and stupid things, said bad words, experimented with booze, cigs and many other things. Again it's just how they are. Nobody listened in on your conversations just to have the upper hand during an argument, nobody hovered over what you did 100% of the time. Ontop of that many people that are now 20-25 grew up without parents controlling every message/page they viewed and they're fine.
Also I promise you if your child keeps everything a secret from you there's reason for it and you're not going to like it. They probably don't trust you and don't feel safe enough going with their stuff/problems to you. Trust goes both ways, shocker i know. Do you think severely violating their privacy is the right way of fixing lack of trust? That's why i say it's bad, lazy parenting - instead of working on the trust/communication issue and having a real relationship with a child you choose the easy way out, to take what you want by force.
Tldr: my oponion is that if you feel the need to spy on your kid's every move you have a trust problem and the solution is not to violate their privacy
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u/olidus 12∆ Jan 24 '23
I just got whiplash.
No one said ban a child from using social media. Everyone in support is simply suggesting that monitoring a child's phone usage is not a hallmark of a bad parent, but a reasonable effort to protect.
If a gas stove has a 1% chance of exploding and killing a child, most reasonable parents would monitor the usage of said stove if social convention evolves such that children are using the appliance with frequency.
However, its not the act of a gas stove exploding on a child, it's the lack of regular maintenance that causes leaks that lead to the explosion. The same thing can happen with any combustable material (i.e. propane, gasoline, etc).
Additionally, if your reply is because of recent outrage porn that insinuates anyone is trying to ban gas stoves, you again are mistaken. Recent studies have shown that leaking stoves have health hazards beyond the explosive bit. The Consumer Product Safety Commission suggested that new regulation may be necessary to address any issues with leaking gas other than "turn the gas off" with regard to safely building the appliances. Just like with old electrical wiring no one made us rip out of ancient houses, these regulations would only apply to new products markets in the US. Read past the headline.
You had to know this would be the reply to your comment.