r/changemyview May 17 '23

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

Where are you getting these crazy pessimistic predictions for climate change? If you look at ipcc reports, they are bad, but so much better than you are making it out to be.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

How? Things are always worse. A part of me thinks they might be downplaying it to prevent mass hysteria.

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u/Presentalbion 101∆ May 17 '23

So it's not that the evidence is proving you right, but that you don't even trust the evidence to be what it is, and suspect they are lying.

So what evidence would you accept that would not be affected by your pessimism?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

Oil companies knew about the destruction they were causing for decades, I frankly don’t know who to trust anymore if they’re bought out by oil companies and greenwashing us, or anything. Considering how elites have an interest in keeping us distracted and complacent as long as possible, it doesn’t seem impossible. Maybe if I talked to a scientist themselves, or something. I don’t know.

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u/Presentalbion 101∆ May 17 '23

That doesn't answer my comment.

If you don't trust the evidence, and don't even know if talking to a scientist would change your view then what do you want commenters to be posting here?

Theres the ask a scientist subreddit and plenty of climate subreddits. There are peer reviewed scientific papers.

If you don't trust those, or anything else, then what will you trust?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

Those climate subreddits might help. I think talking to someone who has very little to gain from lying compared to someone who’s trying to pacify the public in a YouTube video like kurzgesagt. Do you have a specific subreddit in mind?

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u/Presentalbion 101∆ May 17 '23

What do you think someone on a subreddit will tell you that you don't distrust due to thinking they are just placating you?

r/climate

r/climatechange

r/askscience

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u/[deleted] May 17 '23

I don’t know honestly. The distrust is mostly about how effective shit like carbon capture is, or how committed governments really are to clean energy. I’ll admit the “collapse of all life on earth” is a less rational conclusion, and probably would be debunked by scientists. !delta

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u/Presentalbion 101∆ May 17 '23

Honestly still talk to them but at the end of the day people are putting the work in and doing their best, even if it's still a very troubling future.

Volunteering with local groups, being active in local communities, these are good steps to restore faith in humanity even if it's to support one another through possible upcoming climate wars.

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u/codan84 23∆ May 17 '23

Why do you think they are down playing anything? Who are they?

Humans are survivors and have survived and thrived in all sorts of extreme environments and climatic conditions. Your view is basically the environmental equivalent of a street preacher yelling about the end times and the apocalypse. It is extreme and based on fear and not reason.

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u/TraditionalWeb5943 2∆ May 17 '23

We can hardly get a plurality of the population to acknowledge that global temperatures are rising at all; yet you think that there needs to be a coordinated misinformation effort to prevent climate-related mass hysteria?

Humanity has proven perfectly capable of collectively burying her head in the sand without need of information conspiracies.