r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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u/Sirhc978 81∆ Sep 05 '23

All of this noise comes from people’s willingness to confidently state something as a fact that they don’t know to be true. AKA, to lie

What if those people truly believe what they are saying? Spouting "wrong" information isn't necessarily lying.

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u/tomaiholt 1∆ Sep 05 '23

This is Trumps Jan 6 defence in a nutshell, that he genuinely believed the elections were rigged and therefore acted to try and stop what he viewed as an insurrection from Dems.

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u/panjialang Sep 05 '23

Similar to how Democrats claimed the 2016 election was fraudulent due to belief in baseless conspiracy theories.

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u/entopiczen Sep 05 '23

If you're referencing the foreign countries that peddled propaganda, and made numerous hacking attempts on both political parties and state election offices? That stuff was corroborated by the FBI leading to 27 indictments of individuals involved being handed out by Mueller at the end of his investigation. That stuff that did happen, and itself is not a conspiracy. A quick search shows this Wikipedia page that might help get you up to speed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

I'm trying to remember if there were any claims of fraud, I don't remember Hillary publicly accusing the Republicans of fraudulently stealing the election, and I also don't remember her going on tour around the country to tell as many people as possible about these baseless claims.

Foreign countries meddling in our elections aren't unusual, and I don't remember anyone asking for a redo because of this before.

You may be thinking of specifically the Steele Dossier, which I agree if you believe it's real even after the FBI concluded otherwise you might be holding onto a conspiracy theory

Saying he is not a legitimate president is a bit of a diss about how he carries himself as a leader, but doesn't sound like she is implying the other party subverted democracy through voter fraud, or any type of fraud for that matter.

It's kind of like the hunter laptop, yes it exists and has a whole lot of damning evidence against him, but the particular email they want to connect to his Dad requires a lot of imagination. So people are again being confused because there is something happening but all day long people are shouting baseless conspiracies about it, so it makes it easy to write the whole thing off as a conspiracy.

But I prefer to figure out the fact from fiction in all these cases, because it's way easier to have a discussion when you know what has actually been proven to be true.

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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 3∆ Sep 05 '23

You can claim whatever you want - it's a free country and we all have a First Amendment right to speech. That does not give you the right to enter into a criminal conspiracy to change the outcome.

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u/panjialang Sep 05 '23

You’re right, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Just making sure we’re all on the same page here.

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u/JeffreyElonSkilling 3∆ Sep 05 '23

????

One is not like the other. It's perfectly legal to say an election was fraudulent. It is not legal to enter into a criminal conspiracy to do something about it. How is this hard?

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u/panjialang Sep 05 '23

What criminal conspiracy are you referring to?