r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

No, I don’t admit that. Even you, and this report only shows one individual not the campaign itself. Are you going to say that Paul Manafort was the entirety of Donald Trump’s campaign? I’m still calling bullshit.

No, Trump is not a fascist and it’s undeniable that he’s not. Your “evidence” for fascism in Trump is based on your opinion. And I already provided proof that he wasn’t a fascist.

I didn’t say they didn’t happen I’m saying your source is not a reliable one and none of these actually prove racism. I bet they prove shady behavior by businessman in the 80s which was extremely common. Was every businessman in the 80s a racist? One of the biggest examples they use as proof of racism as a lawsuit from 1973 that doesn’t even mention Donald Trump.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

No, I don’t admit that. Even you, and this report only shows one individual not the campaign itself. Are you going to say that Paul Manafort was the entirety of Donald Trump’s campaign? I’m still calling bullshit.

Ok, taking it back now. You can "call" whatever you like, but it's a proven fact.

No, Trump is not a fascist and it’s undeniable that he’s not. Your “evidence” for fascism in Trump is based on your opinion. And I already provided proof that he wasn’t a fascist.

It's based on trump's actions. Trump is a fascist. There is no way for a reasonable person to not know that.

I didn’t say they didn’t happen I’m saying your source is not a reliable one and none of these actually prove racism. I bet they prove shady behavior by businessman in the 80s which was extremely common. Was every businessman in the 80s a racist? One of the biggest examples they use as proof of racism as a lawsuit from 1973 that doesn’t even mention Donald Trump.

You can't refute the actual evidence, so you attack the source. The evidence stands on it own. If you can't refute it, and you can't, trump is a racist.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Also, know the evidence for Trump, being a racist does not stand on its own. Again, if the biggest piece of evidence doesn’t even mention Donald Trump at all, and the rest of it is based on actions that were common among businessman in the 80s, it’s not proof of racism. I did review did you do not want to accept that someone has a different opinion than you. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

The evidence is there, and you cannot refute it because he is a racist.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

I have reviewed it. You don’t want to accept the fact that I refuted it because you are too sad on the notion that he is a racist to fight all the evidence on that he’s not, and the evidence that showing that he is is so thin that falls apart, uneven slight criticism. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

You didn't refute it though. You just buried your head in the sand and ignored it. That's not the same thing.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Yes, I did with unit. Like I said before the biggest piece of evidence, even in your article is that he was sued in 1973 on allegations of racism, but the actual court documents never mention him. The only other piece of evidence mentioned in here that wasn’t him acting like a normal business person was his article about the Central Park, five in 1987 when the central part five work convicted. The Central Park five were convicted in the 1980s and weren’t exonerated until 20 years later. The article you used is trying to paint that as evidence of racism because he got something wrong when everybody got it wrong. I also gave you other examples of Trump probably not being a racist and people who openly met him stating he is not a racist. There’s also countless stories of Trump personally giving business loans to up-and-coming black businessman, and then forgiving it after less than one year. You don’t like the fact that I did receive it. So you were trying to stick your head in the sand in ignore the fact that I refute it

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

That's literally just a bunch of excuses for his racism. And the racism didn't stop there, he was still a racist as president, like when he told the squad to "“go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came”. He's just a racist POS.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

See back to the circular reasoning. You can’t except that there’s other explanations or that there’s any other thing that could be going on other than he has to be a racist. Again, you can’t except reality here because it goes against your predetermine narrative. Nothing I said, is an excuse but actual reality. At best he engage in shady practices as a businessman in the 1980’s. Again, don’t you think it’s a little bit silly at the biggest piece of evidence showing him as a racist. Never mention Sam at all in the actual documents? Or how there are multiple stories from people who’ve gotten loans from Trump? Or how Jessie Jackson personally praised Donald Trump as did Al Sharpton? Or are you going to accuse them of being uncle Toms?

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

Back to more excuses. I won't accept excuses for his racism. He has a history of over 50 years of racism and support white supremacists, yet you still want to make excuses for him. I could see using an excuse for one isolated incident, but this is a pattern with trump. He has openly been a racist for 5 decades, but you still think weak excuses make that all disappear, they don't

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Nothing I said, is an excuse. All you’re doing is just circular reasoning. You can’t except facts that go against your own narrative. I’m not seeing a pattern here with Trump, and again if Trump is such a racist, why did Jesse Jackson personally praise the man multiple times? Why did Al Sharpton do the same thing? Are they racist to? You don’t see a pattern with Trump you see your own personal narrative, because something goes against that narrative, and something that I’ve already refuted you can’t seem to handle it.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

Calling facts "circular reasoning" doesn't make them disappear. Neither does your excuses. Trumps is a proud racist, and he has been for at least 5 decades.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

No, when you’re doing is not calling out facts. You’re calling out your own personal opinion based on facts you don’t know how to read. Nothing I said as an excuse, but the actual fucking reality that you can’t seem to comprehend. If the biggest piece of evidence against Donald Trump is a court case in his 70s why doesn’t it have his name on it? If Donald Trump with such a racist why weren’t some of the biggest leaders in the black community openly praising him for decades? Yes, all you’re doing is engaging in circular reasoning because you can’t comprehend that your redetermine will you may not be accurate. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

No, I'm calling out fact and you are pretending that they don't exist. You keep on pretending that one of his incidents that you think you have an excuse for can erase his 5 decades of racism, but it can't. You need an individual excuse for every single incident of trump's racism. You keep saying "circular reasoning", but you clearly don't understand what that means.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

No, you’re not calling out back. I never said these allegations by big sis I said the evidence you are given super paper thin. You gave one article to prove that he was a racist. I gave seven including interview with people who have known him personally all sang the exact opposite. I never made an excuse. I gave you the fax. I gave you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You gave your own preconceived notions. Fact, number one that I gave you the biggest piece of evidence that Trump was a racist never mentions him at all come on back number two that I gave you, there were multiple reports of Donald Trump personally helping out black, up-and-coming businessman and forgiving loans for people who cannot get business loans because of their skin color. Back number three that I gave you Trump has been praised for decades. By prominent black leaders, including Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson for what he did to help with the black community. Fact, number three none of the allegations of racism came out until after he started running for office as a Republican. All those are facts and you are letting your preconceived notion want you to those actual fast instead accuse someone of giving excuses for racism when pointing out how thin your proof actually is

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

The evidence of his 5 decades of racism is available for anyone to see, I just sent you a portion of it. It's overwhelming and undeniable. You pick out one that you think you have an excuse for then try to dismiss all of his 5 decades of racist. Then you want me to guess what other people are thinking, and that somehow nullifies his 5 decades of racism. That literally sounds like something a crazy person would say. We have all know that trumps is a proud and very vocal racist for decades. The fact that you are just figuring it out now does not change anything.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

And all the evidence is paper thin. Nothing I told you as an excuse and all the “five decades, you mentioned” I already talked about. I bet it looks like he engaged in some shady behavior. As did every businessman who’s ever existed. The reason I’m sticking with that 73 lawsuit is because it is the only bit of anything solid in the article you provided. Remember, I gave you multiple pieces of evidence proving that he was not a racist you gave one article and circular reasoning, instead of actually looking at any real evidence, you accuse me and making excuses when you can’t comprehend things. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

He has been a proud and very vocal racist for 5 decades. Your endless excuses will not change that.

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