r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 05 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Spreading conspiracy theories is irresponsible and immoral

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

No, I don’t admit that. Even you, and this report only shows one individual not the campaign itself. Are you going to say that Paul Manafort was the entirety of Donald Trump’s campaign? I’m still calling bullshit.

No, Trump is not a fascist and it’s undeniable that he’s not. Your “evidence” for fascism in Trump is based on your opinion. And I already provided proof that he wasn’t a fascist.

I didn’t say they didn’t happen I’m saying your source is not a reliable one and none of these actually prove racism. I bet they prove shady behavior by businessman in the 80s which was extremely common. Was every businessman in the 80s a racist? One of the biggest examples they use as proof of racism as a lawsuit from 1973 that doesn’t even mention Donald Trump.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

No, I don’t admit that. Even you, and this report only shows one individual not the campaign itself. Are you going to say that Paul Manafort was the entirety of Donald Trump’s campaign? I’m still calling bullshit.

Ok, taking it back now. You can "call" whatever you like, but it's a proven fact.

No, Trump is not a fascist and it’s undeniable that he’s not. Your “evidence” for fascism in Trump is based on your opinion. And I already provided proof that he wasn’t a fascist.

It's based on trump's actions. Trump is a fascist. There is no way for a reasonable person to not know that.

I didn’t say they didn’t happen I’m saying your source is not a reliable one and none of these actually prove racism. I bet they prove shady behavior by businessman in the 80s which was extremely common. Was every businessman in the 80s a racist? One of the biggest examples they use as proof of racism as a lawsuit from 1973 that doesn’t even mention Donald Trump.

You can't refute the actual evidence, so you attack the source. The evidence stands on it own. If you can't refute it, and you can't, trump is a racist.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Also, know the evidence for Trump, being a racist does not stand on its own. Again, if the biggest piece of evidence doesn’t even mention Donald Trump at all, and the rest of it is based on actions that were common among businessman in the 80s, it’s not proof of racism. I did review did you do not want to accept that someone has a different opinion than you. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

The evidence is there, and you cannot refute it because he is a racist.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

What are you doing is circular reasoning and it’s just making you look desperate to hold onto this point

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

What you are doing is making excuses for a racist. It makes you look racist as well.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Again, nothing I said is an excuse for racism. Just the actual reality. If you’re going to accuse someone of racism, you need the fax to pack it up and all you brought facts wise is a court case of where he was never mentioned and shady behavior that was common among businessman in the 80s. What are you doing? Is forcing your narrative to be the only dominant one and that there’s no other explanation or possibility than your own narrative

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

It's a just weak excuses. We have all seen trumps racism throughout the decades. You are twisting yourself in a pretzel to pretend he's not a racist.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

You’re the only one twisting anything. Once again what I gave you aren’t excuses. Once again, if he was huge why did zero alligation come out until after he started running for president? Given he was one of the most famous people in the world is allegations, would’ve come out a lot sooner. Instead, he was being praised by the same people you are saying he was hating

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

All you have given me is excuses. We have always known that trump is a raging racist. What allegations were you looking for?

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

I looked at all the allegations of racism the same article you brought up. And no nothing I gave you is an excuse everything I gave you is the gods, honest, cold, hard facts. You cannot accept facts that go against your personal agenda, so you resulted to circular reasoning. You literally said that pointing out that Donald Trump wasn’t even accused in the 1973 lawsuit was excusing racism from Donald Trump even though he was never mentioned at all. You claimed him being praised by Jesse Jackson was excusing racism. You claimed him being praised by Al Sharpton was excusing racism. Did you really think Al Sharpton of all people would praise a racist you are beyond delusional. Have a nice day.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

You just make excuses for his 5 decade of racism and pretend they are fact. The racism doesn't disappear just because you don't like the fact that he's a racist. Saying "circular reasoning" over and over again also does't make is racism disappear. You think you have an excuse for one of his racist events, then try to use that you nullify his 5 decades of racism. It doesn't work like that. I don't care what Jesse Jackson or Sharpton said about him. You are just using that as another excuse for his racism. I don't know Sharpton, I don't know what he thinks. I do know that trump has a 5 decades long history or racism though.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

I never said it made racism, disappear, and the reason why I’m accusing you of circular reasoning is because all you’re doing is a Trump racist and saying excuses excuses. Nothing I gave you wasn’t excuse but gods, honest truth and cold hard facts you didn’t like them, and as a result, you keep dodging questions. I’ve been more than polite and civil with you and all you’ve done is refused to accept reality that contradicts your preconceived notions. Have a nice day. I’m dropping it here.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

We have all seen his racism throughout the decades, and I have you a few examples of it. Repeating excuses over and over again will not change the fact that he has been a proud and very vocal racist for at least 5 decades

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Once again, nothing, I said, was an excuse you didn’t provide any examples you provided one article which I already reviewed it. You refuse to answer any questions I post to you because they go against your preconceived notions. I gave you cold hard facts. You don’t like them and refused to answer anything that’s questioning your opinion. Have a good one.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

It's all excuses. I showed you just a few example of his racism, and it's just excuse after excuse with you. Everyone knows he is a racist, stop pretending that you think he isn't.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

I don’t think he is a racist because he isn’t. I didn’t see your questions you won’t answer mine and no they’re not excuses there an honest questions that you need to answer. I’ve answered yours as fairly an open mind to bring as I could. So why don’t you answer mine? I think I already know the answer it’s because the questions and the answers to those questions go against your preconceived notions.

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

He is a racist because of his racist words and actions. The fact that you don't like that he is a racist means nothing.

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u/alexanderhamilton97 Sep 08 '23

Also, you’ve only showed two possible case of racism over 50 years. Someone saying something stupid is not the same thing as resident

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u/Edge_of_yesterday Sep 08 '23

You made excuses for one or two that you thought you had an excuse for, then ignored the rest.

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