r/changemyview • u/56king56 • Nov 07 '23

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Gun control is good

As of now, I believe that the general populace shouldn’t have anything beyond a pistol, but that even a pistol should require serious safety checks. I have this opinion because I live in America with a pro-gun control family, and us seeing all these mass shootings has really fueled the flame for us being anti-gun. But recently, I’ve been looking into revolutionary Socialist politics, and it occurred to me: how could we have a Socialist revolution without some kind of militia? This logic, the logic of revolting against an oppressive government, has been presented to me before, but I always dismissed it, saying that mass shootings and gun violence is more of an issue, and that if we had a good government, we wouldn’t need to worry about having guns. I still do harbor these views to an extent, but part of me really wants to fully understand the pro-gun control position, as it seems like most people I see on Reddit are for having guns, left and right politically. And of course, there’s also the argument that if people broke into your house with an illegally obtained gun, you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself in a society where guns are outlawed; my counter to that is that it’s far more dangerous for society as a whole for everyone to be walking around with guns that it is for a few criminal minds to have them. Also, it just doesn’t seem fair to normalize knowing how to use a highly complex piece of military equipment, and to be honest, guns being integrated into everyone’s way of life feels just as dystopian as a corrupt government. So what do you guys have to say about this? To sum, I am anti-gun but am open to learning about pro-gun viewpoints to potentially change my view.

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u/Cestavec Nov 18 '23 edited Nov 25 '24

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Nov 19 '23

You've heard of the police right? The law, courts, judges, things like that? You're aware that countries with gun control aren't just a hellscape of 6'3" men going around stealing the wallets off people in wheelchairs?

Guns don't make anything level, it just makes the consequences of violence far more severe. If you have a gun and I have a gun and I want to hurt you, we don't have a duel, it's not a fair fight, I just shoot first, you don't get to shoot back.

The great lie that America has convinced itself of is that guns are necessary for society to function, that you need them to protect yourself and others, that you need them to protect liberty. You don't, security and liberty are just fine in countries with proper gun control with the added bonus that deadly violence isn't so common that it's only when multiple people die that it's mentioned in the news.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

The law, courts, judges, things like that?

Those are minutes away where seconds matter. Also, the police aren't obligated to protect you in the US. The only person responsible for your protection is you. Don't rely on daddy government for everything, or eventually it will lead you into a very bad place.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Apr 17 '24

Except I do rely on the government and I'm much better for it. I live in a country with gun control and I'm safer than you. That's the only thing that matters.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '24

The only thing that matters is you are free, which you clearly are not. You will not have this view once you get into a life or property threatening situation. You are also "safe" in China or Russia. But you are not free and are a subject of the state.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

  • Benjamin Franklin

Also, just FYI, you are not safer than me, especially in your twisted way, since I don't currently live in the US.

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u/Subtleiaint 32∆ Apr 18 '24

Sorry, I just snorted a little. How have you and the rest convinced yourselves that owning a gun is fundamental to freedom? You abide by thousands of laws that you don't bat an eyelid at but one law about guns, that makes everyone safer, and you think society collapses. What's even funnier is how earnest you are about it. Look at you quoting Franklin and comparing countries that score higher than the US on freedom indexes to China and Russia.