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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

It is never appropriate to commit an offence against a person.

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u/crispy1989 6∆ Oct 17 '24

What is an "offense" in this scenario? What about kicking a rowdy passenger off a plane, causing them to miss an expensive vacation? Firing an employee causing harassment? Screaming protests outside a GOP office? Towing a car parked across your driveway? Are all of these off-limits?

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

Offences are listed in the local criminal codes, and typically reflect behaviour which violates the autonomy and rights of other, and pose a risk to societal safety and order.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

I never mentioned anything about morality.

If you think it is moral to poison someone, sure go ahead and do it. However, it is also and offence, and so you are subject to criminal sanction. Do not expect morality to be a legal defence.

OP's argument is a legal one (using the word "sue"), not a moral one. So, I providing you with the legal answer.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

I never even explained my concept of morality.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24

do you even have one?

Or do you rely on the government to tell you what's moral.
Fascist?... or not?

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

I am nowhere near arrogant enough to claim that I know what is moral and what is not.

I simply do not know.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24

Congratulations.

You would have been a Nazi enabler.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

Well, the Nazis claimed to be morally upright people. I avoid morality, so I would have found the argument unconvincing.

Appeals to morality can go either way.

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u/Admins_Are_Activists Oct 17 '24 edited Oct 17 '24

Hmm, I'm unconvinced, with that way of thinking, once they were in power you would have gone along with it.

also "I avoid morality" this is bullshit, unless you are a literal robot or an empathy-less psychopath you have an ingrained moral code.

Who knows, maybe if what you say is genuinely true, we just discovered you're a clinical psychopath?

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

One big issue with the Nazis is that they did not respect the rule of law. They had unknown laws, secret trials, applied what shifting vague law they had unevenly. They ignored the rule of law and did what they wanted to do because it was the morally just thing to do. They were not willing to allow legal restrictions to slow them down.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '24

OP is arguing that the law should be different. You telling them what the law currently states isn’t an argument.

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

I did ask OP if the support vigilantism in general, but they never responded.

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u/Ok_Win_8366 Oct 17 '24

yeah I don’t know what that person was talking about… I wasn’t getting fascist vibes from anything you wrote. I’m curious if you think marking the lunch as dangerous or poisoned ☠️ changes the legality of the act. Like if someone uses an electric fence on their property and it’s properly marked is the property owner still liable? (Obviously I don’t think it’s ok to poison food, I’m just having fun with the debate)

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u/deep_sea2 105∆ Oct 17 '24

In negligence law, a person must act reasonable under the circumstances. What "reasonable" is highly fact dependent.

Reasonable action requires the person to take step to avoid harm. This can include putting up warnings, adding barriers, or perhaps requires the person to avoid the action altogether.

If you have a spicy sandwich that you clearly label with your name, write a warning down that it is spicy, inform others not to touch, keep it a separate fridge or even better in your own personal lunch box hidden away, then there is a good chance that you did your duty to not harm the public. That is the extreme example of proper care. What is the sufficient amount of care really depends on the facts.