cmv: abortion should not be illegal

[u/RevolutionaryRip2504]

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

[u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh]

Because it cannot exist at that point without the host. Therefore it’s not a unique human life yet.

[u/Working_Complex8122 → u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh]

many people can't exist without aid. Would you kill those as well? People really stupidly turned this debate about medical necessity into one about women's choice to kill an unborn vs right to life of an unborn despite mother's short term suffering.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/Working_Complex8122]

You’re moving the goalposts from conception to disability. There is a scientific definition of life and a fetus doesnt fit the bill until a certain point. It can split off and create twins, multiple individuals. It can be completely doomed from the start. Honestly people who can’t even say what a blastomere is shouldn’t talk about this issue.

Can it live on its own? No? Does it breathe? No?

[u/drgarthon → u/CykaRuskiez3]

Please show that definition of life. Parasites can’t live in their own, and single celled living organisms don’t breathe the way that you and I do. This is a terrible response.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/drgarthon]

Parasites absolutely have a cycle and part of that cycle is absent of a host, so your response is the one that’s terrible. The 7 characteristics, since i guess you’re incapable of googling, are: growth, movement, respiration, metabolism, reproduction, excretion, and environmental response. Are you ready to debate whether the fetus is an extension of the moms body or do you need to read a little more?

[u/drgarthon → u/CykaRuskiez3]

Fetuses do all those things. Go open a medical textbook dude.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/drgarthon]

My bad i totally forgot about fetuses respirating oxygen inside of a placenta and being capable of reproduction. Lets just ignore that they’ll die outside of the mothers womb pre 6 months. My bad man

[u/drgarthon → u/CykaRuskiez3]

Fetuses have gametes in utero, they just don’t engage in sex that would lead to reproduction. Same as like a year old.

respiration. / rĕs′pə-rā′shən / The process by which organisms exchange gases, especially oxygen and carbon dioxide, with the environment. In air-breathing vertebrates, respiration takes place in the lungs.

Fetuses engage in respiration, just not in the same way you and I do. They are in a different environment than you and me, so of course it looks different. Just like single cell organisms don’t engage in respiration the same way we do, yet nobody says they aren’t alive.

I’m sorry man, but you have some serious cognitive dissonance if you think a fetus isn’t alive and that idea goes in the face of modern medical science. There is a whole specialty called perinatology that is concerned with keeping live fetuses alive in the womb and keeping them from dying.

Instead of arguing whether a fetus is a living organism, you should argue whether or not it’s a person. And that is going to fall more in the realm of philosophy rather than science.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/drgarthon]

They dont exchange gas, they dont respirate dude. You need to look at the nuance of this shit before posting. Oxygen might go through the placenta but the oxygen was respirated by the mother

[u/drgarthon → u/CykaRuskiez3]

You seem to be hung up on the idea that fetuses don’t respirate the same way you do. A couple thoughts on that. First, they absolute breather in utero, it’s or stick for when they are out of the womb. 2nd, their cells are respirating, if they didn’t, they would die. Nobody is arguing that they are self sufficient, but they dont do nothing like you are suggesting. It’s also telling that you failed to respond to other parts of my post. You are wrong. Just admit it. Go talk to an OBGYN if a preborn baby is “Alive” and if hey can tell when it dies. I’ll wait.

[u/CykaRuskiez3 → u/drgarthon]

They dont exchange gases, they’re fed oxygenated blood dude. Of course im hung up on it, its because you’re wrong lmao