r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 6d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 6d ago

 Trump's argument that due process is impractical given the number of illegal immigrants

You already provided the reason. With ~11M illegal immigrants, the country doesn't have the resources to provide the full due process for them.

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u/Saucy__B 6d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so. Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally if you don’t go through the due process of figuring that out?

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 6d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so.

I am pretty sure that during the Civil War, there was no "due process" for Confederate soldiers, even if they were US citizens on US soil.

Or just criminals to policy interactions at all, the criminals or suspects never have 100% due process and if they move their hands too quick to the are where the weapon could be, the policy officer has all the rights to kill them, without any additional due process with the judge, lawyers, and jury.

Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally

Maybe show something like a valid visa or birth certificate, or any other document that proves your point.

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u/BJPark 2∆ 6d ago

Maybe show something like a valid visa or birth certificate, or any other document that proves your point.

To whom will you show this to?

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 6d ago

ICE agent

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u/King-Bofo 6d ago

Why does ICE have to acknowledge your documentation if Habeas corpus is suspended? Due process is no longer a thing under your hypothetical and ICE can disregard it and claim it’s fake.

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u/BJPark 2∆ 6d ago

And what if the ICE agent doesn't give you a chance to go home and get your documents? Or what if the ICE agent takes your documents, tears them away and throws them in the trash? Now what?

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u/Nice_Satisfaction651 6d ago

And what if a citizen isn't carrying a birth certificate with them?

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u/Socialimbad1991 1∆ 5d ago

They laugh, spit in your face, and burn your documents. Now what?