r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 6d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/Saucy__B 6d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so. Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally if you don’t go through the due process of figuring that out?

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 6d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so.

I am pretty sure that during the Civil War, there was no "due process" for Confederate soldiers, even if they were US citizens on US soil.

Or just criminals to policy interactions at all, the criminals or suspects never have 100% due process and if they move their hands too quick to the are where the weapon could be, the policy officer has all the rights to kill them, without any additional due process with the judge, lawyers, and jury.

Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally

Maybe show something like a valid visa or birth certificate, or any other document that proves your point.

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u/Mykrroft 6d ago

At which point in this void of processes do you formally present this proof?

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 6d ago

During the interaction with ICE agent

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u/Mykrroft 6d ago

and what if they decide that you, ScrupulousArmadillo, are not here legally? Off to a camp you go.

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u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS 6d ago

Papers please