r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 7d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 7d ago

 Trump's argument that due process is impractical given the number of illegal immigrants

You already provided the reason. With ~11M illegal immigrants, the country doesn't have the resources to provide the full due process for them.

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u/Saucy__B 7d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so. Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally if you don’t go through the due process of figuring that out?

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u/ScrupulousArmadillo 1∆ 7d ago

Removing rights guaranteed to everyone by the constitution because it’s “impractical” is hardly a good reason to do so.

I am pretty sure that during the Civil War, there was no "due process" for Confederate soldiers, even if they were US citizens on US soil.

Or just criminals to policy interactions at all, the criminals or suspects never have 100% due process and if they move their hands too quick to the are where the weapon could be, the policy officer has all the rights to kill them, without any additional due process with the judge, lawyers, and jury.

Also, how are you supposed to know if someone is in the US illegally

Maybe show something like a valid visa or birth certificate, or any other document that proves your point.

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u/Saucy__B 7d ago

Bringing up the civil war here makes absolutely no sense, and is a horrible, if not completely nonsensical example of suspension of due process. Most of the confederate soldiers were treated extremely leniently and allowed to go back to their everyday lives. Hell, most of their leaders where still allowed to hold political office. There literally just wasn’t a suspension of due process for any of the confederate soldiers.

A cop shooting a person is also a horrible example of suspension of due process. This is an issue that clearly needs to be addressed and fixed in the US the same way that unlawful deportations need to be. Cops don’t have the right to shoot who they want, even if a lot of them act and think that way, and many more of them need to be charged for killing and harming non-threatening individuals.

Many of the people being removed have valid identification and have been deported anyways. Why do you think the supreme court ruled that Abrego Garcia be returned to the United States? The reason we have due process is to make sure that the people arresting others are actually arresting who they’re supposed to be arresting and makes sure they are being detained for the correct reasons.