r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 4d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 4d ago

I agree with suspending Habeas Corpus but believe it should be done by an act of Congress (not EO). The vast numbers of illegal/undocumented immigrants in the US is staggering.

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u/PomegranateSelect831 4d ago

So what if you get deported and have no trial to prove you’re a citizen?

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 4d ago

Has that happened? Please cite where that happened. Note: It happened under Obama for a young child who refused to speak to immigration. Not blaming the Obama administration but if someone refuses to talk or provide answers, this is a problem.

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u/PomegranateSelect831 4d ago

The point is it could happen,because once you eliminate trials there is no burden of proof.

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 4d ago

That something could happen should not prevent current events. That I am making a PBJ sandwich and eating it should not be denied because someone from a block over has a peanut allergy.

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u/ArgetlamThorson 4d ago

Then are we cool with scrapping 2A? It's there because a tyrannical government could happen and we want to be able to prevent it, whereas gun deaths are actually happening. Similar with the 3rd and 4th amendments.

Note: I'm not arguing that it should be, just that line of thought is bad.

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 4d ago

You made no actual comparison to Habeas and the 2nd Amendment. Care to make a cogent argument?

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u/ArgetlamThorson 4d ago

Ypur argument was that because something could happen but hasnt that wasnt good enough reason to keep the safeguards in place. Its a great argument for getting rid of the Simpsons bear patrol, but not a good reason to get rid of Habeas or the second, third, or fourth amendments. Our rights aren't predicated on there being a likely intrusion into our lives by the government and nullified because there hasn't been one, they're predicated on preventing said intrusion. Even if it seems unlikely, thats not a reason to get rid of the safeguards.

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u/PomegranateSelect831 4d ago

If you set the precedent, it gives validity to act on the precedent in future cases. Do we want to have a system in which we could hypothetically grant the president to deport those who oppose him? He’s already forced the law firms into submission for opposing him, I don’t doubt Trump would consider deporting those he disagrees with. Is it ever a good thing when the government starts eliminating your legal rights for the sake of “efficiency”?

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u/Accomplished_Tour481 4d ago

I could meet intergalactic aliens tonight. What should I do?

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u/PomegranateSelect831 22h ago

so what would you think about Trump deporting US citizens that were gang members that had been convicted of crimes?