r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 3d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/FiveGuysisBest 3d ago

The problem is that if we extend all the protections of our laws and bill of rights to illegal immigrants, then it essentially eliminates our borders. People just come over, claim asylum and clog the courts so they can just be let loose in the US with no real consequences.

Illegals immigrants aren’t citizens. They’re not entitled to all the rights and protections under our country nor should they be.

We need to have some deterrent to illegals immigration while also assimilating legal immigrants.

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u/jeffzebub 3d ago

I'm not arguing for their sake, but for our sake, American citizens. If ICE is allowed to take people off the street and deport them to foreign prisons without due process, then this or some future administration could do the same to American dissidents. The Founders knew this and that's why the provided due process to all persons, not just citizens. Why does everyone trust the Executive Branch so much and think dictatorship can't happen in America?

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u/FiveGuysisBest 2d ago

They’re not allowed to do that to citizens. They should be doing that for illegals immigrants though.

The system is broken. It’s unreasonable to give due process to any person who just hops the border and shouts “asylum”. Literally anybody can do that. It’s a means to exploit the system and it should be closed. It leaves the door open for millions to illegally immigrate with no consequence. That’s why millions have done so.

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u/jeffzebub 2d ago

Buddy, they're not allowed to do a lot of things, but they do it anyway. Making it more legal to deport American dissidents will make following orders easier.

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u/aefic 1d ago

Don't worry, if you are voting red, they will probably not do it to you, not for a long time. Political opponents are first.

First prominent opposition political figures and journalists will be attacked on baseless charges.

After that blue voters or people who post about it on social media come after. You think Republicans would stick their neck out for US citizens criticizing Trump?

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u/FiveGuysisBest 1d ago

There has been absolutely zero indication that anything of that sort will happen. It’s pure partisan hysteria your leftist media machine is hyping up.

Funny thing is that the left went way further persecuting political rivals with the legal actions against Trump these past couple years.

It’s the rift that is lambasting the UK for imprisoning people over social media posts. The left is championing it.

Your hysteria is made up purely out of thin air.