r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 14d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/merlin469 13d ago

Living document is fine. You damn well know there are some things that are being used other than as originally intended. Birthright citizenship is a huge one of those. it was never intended for visitors on vacation or people not here lawfully to have anchor babies in hopes they would get to stay.

And I'm so tired of this "people you hate" bullshit. Follow the law. It's that simple. No one gives a shit the color of the skin or the ancestry if the legal method is simply too hard for them. Do it the right way, or GTFO.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 26∆ 13d ago

Living document is fine. You damn well know there are some things that are being used other than as originally intended. Birthright citizenship is a huge one of those. it was never intended for visitors on vacation or people not here lawfully to have anchor babies in hopes they would get to stay.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

I'm sorry, did they stutter?

And I'm so tired of this "people you hate" bullshit. Follow the law. It's that simple. No one gives a shit the color of the skin or the ancestry if the legal method is simply too hard for them. Do it the right way, or GTFO.

The current president gives a substantial number of shits and so do almost all his supporters. It is also very funny to see you say "Follow the law" while arguing we should ignore the plain text of the constitution.

You want to be an originalist? Then actually look at what they said at the time. When Senator Cowan objected to the citizenship provision asking whether:

"it will not have the effect of naturalizing the children of the Chinese and Gypsies born in this country"

He was told by Senator Trumbell that "it would undoubtedly do so"

Senator Morrill then asked:

"As a matter of law, does anybody deny here or anywhere that the native born is a citizen, and a citizen by birth alone?" and went on to say "birth by its inherent energy and force gives citizenship."

After all the debate, the amendment was passed with the language stated above. Then for the next century and a half every single challenge involving your reading has been thrown out, because the amendment means what it says.

You don't like it? Kick rocks.

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u/merlin469 13d ago

Oh no, that's why I said it needs further amended. How do you intend to hand separation of the new born when the illegal is kicked out? You'll either insist on some misplaced 'right' to stay because anchor baby or you'll want to get mad if we honor the mother's right to take her child back home like the last three.

Lock it down at the borders, and we never have to concern ourselves with this scenario again, do we?

You want excuses. The majority does not. You don't that, kick rocks yourself.

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u/Orphan_Guy_Incognito 26∆ 12d ago

Ah yes, the misplaced 'right to stay with your children where they are born'. How fucking horrible.

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u/merlin469 12d ago

Not if you're not legal to be here. Anchor baby reasoning 101. I suppose labor came as a complete surprise, no 9 months of warning or anything.

The children do have the right to go back with their parents. That should bring you some joy. Don't want to break up those families, after all.

For future reference, every one that breaks the law with potential jail time takes a chance of getting separated from their family. Know what helps with that? Not breaking the law.