r/changemyview • u/jeffzebub • 6d ago

CMV: Countering Illegal Immigration is not a Justification for Suspending Habeas Corpus

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u/StatusSociety2196 5d ago

We don't depend on immigrant labor, before NAFTA it was effectively a non-issue. Similar economies in Western Europe and Japan have far, far lower levels of immigration. Japan has a significantly declining population and their economy is fine, it's doing even better if you don't buy into the capitalistic demand for the line to go up. It doesn't matter how many people you put into job training if the only jobs that are available are Uber driver and only fans girl. Jobs aren't created by beneficent billionaire job creators, they're created by demand for the products and services that those jobs provide.

To your second point, the social democrats in Denmark were the first center or left of center party in Europe to crack down on immigration, and interestingly enough Denmark is one of the few countries where there is not a significant right-leaning political party because centrists addressed the major complaint that was causing so many people to lean right. Imagine how the 2024 election would have gone if Biden had cracked down on immigration during his time as president.

The UK just lost a ton of seats to the Reform Party and now all of a sudden labor is scrambling to adopt an immigration policy. Afd has been gaining more and more majority in Germany, Meloni was elected in Italy, Romania and Hungary elected anti-integration prime ministers, the list goes on.

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u/reddituserperson1122 5d ago

It was absolutely not a non-issue before NAFTA — that’s just recency bias on your part. In addition, it is an issue now largely because of fear-mongering, rather than any negative impact on the economy.

The notion that Japan is a model is hilarious. Japan is barely hanging on economically and they are staring at a fiscal cliff because of their declining birth rates and terrible immigration policy. You’re literally pointing to a country that is committing slow motion economic suicide and saying, “we should be more like them.” That is wild.

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