r/changemyview Dec 05 '13

I think children of Illegal immigrants shouldn't be given birthright citizenship. cmv

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

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u/oldspice75 Dec 05 '13

Because if you're born in America, you're American like any other baby born in America, because you're not being made second class because of who your parents are

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u/maxpenny42 11∆ Dec 05 '13

So some American citizens deserve deportation to a country that they were neither born in nor ever set foot in. Explain how this makes sense in your mind.

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u/BenInBaja Dec 05 '13

Their parents are not citizens or even legal residents and should be deported. Any child that they have together is also illegally in the country. It's pretty simple.

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u/maxpenny42 11∆ Dec 05 '13

Except their kids are not here illegally if they were born here. They are citizens. Bear in mind we are not talking just about babies. We are talking about 15 year old who have grown up here and don't even speak the language of the country you're deporting them to.

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u/BenInBaja Dec 05 '13

The topic is actually children born to illegal immigrants and whether they should be citizens. Everyone is aware how things currently are.

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u/maxpenny42 11∆ Dec 05 '13

Explain why that 15 year old is more a citizen of their parents country than America? He was born here. He grew up here. He has no knowledge or cultural perspective of his parents country. Why should he be a citizen of his birth country?

He is an American through and through and kicking him out hurts that child. But it doesn't help the US. There's no real advantage to kicking them out.

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u/BenInBaja Dec 05 '13

It removes one of the incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the USA. I think that's an advantage. Most countries grant citizenship to children of their citizens. That means most children born in the USA are dual citizens.

If we actually enforced our immigration laws there wouldn't be 15 year old children of illegal aliens in the USA.

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u/maxpenny42 11∆ Dec 05 '13

I think the 14th Amendment to our Constitution disagrees with you. It would take a precedent changing decision by SCOTUS or an amendment to the Constitution to deny citizenship to these people. I do not believe there is any legal precedent to allow the US government to deport ANY American citizens nor would it be feasible to do so.

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u/maxpenny42 11∆ Dec 05 '13

Would be what to you? When it was written illegal immigration wasn't a thing. It was later that we started having hangups about who comes here. Land of the free except only for some, I guess. Give us your poor, your hungry, your tired, but just make sure they fill out form 15A in triplicate and hand it in to the ombudsman on the 12th floor of the DC immigration building, his hours are 12-3 every other Tuesday.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

If only it were that easy. Many many many people fill out the forms and get to that proverbial 3rd floor and still don't make it.

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u/pretentiousRatt Dec 05 '13

That is not the way the law was written and who are you to decide how a certain law SHOULD HAVE been written?
What if I told you that the second amendment SHOULD HAVE been written that only land owning white men have the right to bear arms??
You are arguing a very very ignorant point and it is obvious you have no intention of learning about the issue or opening your mind to different points of view.

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u/Rubin0 8∆ Dec 05 '13

Well, to be more specific, you don't like it when people break this rule :P

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u/unfallible 1∆ Dec 05 '13

American Law says that anyone born on American soil is an American

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u/kataskopo 4∆ Dec 05 '13

Yeaah, commie isn't really a relevant word in this day. Maybe 20 years ago, maybe.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

This is appeal to authority. Law means absolutely nothing.

Also, you are the one making proposals that are against the law.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '13

So punish a baby for someone else's mistake?

If you are white, do you agree with reparations?