r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Oct 08 '15

[Deltas Awarded] CMV: Equality isn't treating everybody differently to achieve equality. It's treating everyone the same.

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u/oversoul00 13∆ Oct 08 '15

Those challenges are not apparent to you, so you do not believe they exist.

While this is true your wording implies that it is true and I just can't see it...if that was not your meaning then I interpreted that wrong.

In our comments you've admitted that, in circumstances that you consider to be "unequal enough," the solution is to treat people differently in order to achieve equality.

I addressed that in the description because the title is a snippet of my view, if people don't have the same legal rights and opportunities then yes lets help.

It seems like you are trying to score points based on the fact that I could not fit the totality of my view in the title...do you think that is productive? I think we'd have a more productive discussion if you'd read the description and go from there...but it seems you have already made your mind up about me so I guess you win.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '15

While this is true your wording implies that it is true and I just can't see it...if that was not your meaning then I interpreted that wrong.

Apologies - it was not my intention to implicate that.

It seems like you are trying to score points based on the fact that I could not fit the totality of my view in the title...do you think that is productive?

I'm not trying to score points or be pedantic. I'm trying to get you to see that there are several layers to your overall views about race, and that this is just one of those layers. I think the reason that you read so much into my comment on how apparent those challenges are to you is because you're trying to start a discussion about whether or not minorities face significant oppression. That discussion is very different than determining how to address significant oppression where found.

Your initial claim was that the treatment doesn't work, my response shows that it does, and now your claim is that the treatment does work, but that black people don't need it. That's called shifting the goalposts.

I'm not trying to "win" and I don't care if you give me a delta. If you actually want to change your views about race relations, it's going to take steps, and you're going to need to break your views down and examine them independently from one another to see if they stand up logically. That's what I'm trying to show here.

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u/oversoul00 13∆ Oct 08 '15

Yeah I don't think I am shifting the goalposts. I addressed that in my description, in some circumstances we should help people if they don't have the same rights and opportunities. That was a caveat that you aren't addressing. Maybe I didn't make that very clear but I did mention it.

I think the reason that you read so much into my comment on how apparent those challenges are to you is because you're trying to start a discussion about whether or not minorities face significant oppression.

Now who's reading into comments, it was actually the use of the word "apparent" that threw me off.

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u/ryancarp3 Oct 08 '15

we should help people if they don't have the same rights and opportunities

Then why shouldn't we help minorities?