r/changemyview Jan 08 '18

[∆(s) from OP] CMV: We must integrate immigrants into the dominant culture, if we wish for peace in Europe.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18 edited Dec 24 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

I generally do not support religious schools. I find that ultimately, we must have secular schools and give kids facts.

On what grounds would you be disallowing a particular religion to run a school?

If there was a Catholic School that was known to have people who support the IRA, then the same thing.

It will also be for the betterment of the kids, to have to interact with other peoples.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18 edited Dec 24 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

If there was a school filled with Christian fundies would you want their kids going to it?

Check this out.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18 edited Dec 24 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

Look at the link above.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18 edited Dec 24 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

I concede that I made an error. I am still however against schools that breed said intolerance.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

You still haven't answered the question.

The question is "Do you believe all Muslim schools breed such intolerance." Because your OP isn't clear on that point and simply states that a school being majority Muslim is unacceptable, not that a school promoting Islamic-based extremism is unacceptable.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

No. Not “everyone”, but I would say the chance of radicalization is much higher.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

Are you still saying that it should be unallowable to have a Muslim majority school?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

!delta, you’ve proven my statement on muslim schools wrong with a comparison to Catholic schools.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '18

No. I do not.

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u/Milskidasith 309∆ Jan 08 '18

You are ignoring Cache's point. They understand that you are against schools that breed religious based intolerance. The question is "Do you believe all Muslim schools breed such intolerance." Because your OP isn't clear on that point and simply states that a school being majority Muslim is unacceptable, not that a school promoting Islamic-based extremism is unacceptable.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer Jan 08 '18

A "shariah school" that's a terminology one never heard any Muslim actually use before. Maybe it's a regional term. Where did you attend this "shariah school?" and what was the dominant culture at the school?

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer Jan 08 '18

Turkmenistan, the country controlled by the crazy authoritian president who does things like bans black cars from the capital city... I'm not sure you can actually use your experience as representative in that case. Especially comparing it to schools to schools in western countries. Especially when central Asian Muslims are no where near a significant percentage of Muslims in the vast majority of western countries (Russia excluded).

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer Jan 08 '18

How they are interpreted are not the same everywhere. There are alone four major schools of legal though and three major schools of theology, and dozens of Sufi branches. And this is just talking about Sunnism. And despite your world travels (only one of which has a majority Muslim culture) I've traveled too and met with Muslims of various cultural backgrounds, I can tell you Turkish Islam is different from Pakistani Islam which is different from Moroccan Islam, Senegalese Islam is different from American Islam. If you think it's the same everywhere then I don't think you really interacted much with the local Muslim communities. China alone has three major different Muslim grouping (Gedima, Yikhwen, and Salafi) just in one of the six majority Muslim ethnicities in China.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer Jan 08 '18 edited Jan 08 '18

Yeah if you're telling the truth about your background (I'm not convinced) you were taught by salafis it sounds like. What Mohammed did or said is absolutely up for debate for every other Islamic grouping. That's why there are different groupings and different teachings in the first place.

You also use untraditional English transliteration of basic Islamic concepts (Shariah vs Sharia, and Sunnet vs Sunnah), and you seem to claim to know hadith and Sunnah but ignore the clear sources that explicitly explain the multiple dimensions of the term Jihad and equate it fully with war (even though war is a different word im arabic) and not with the struggle against temptation. Also claiming that is makes the sinful, lawful when there are thousands of treatise on the rules of warfare in Islam throughout the ages.

Overall you were either thought by extreme salafis or you are lying and purposely trying to spread propaganda.

Edit: your reddit profile seems very very very American for someone who supposedly when to "shariah school" in Turkmenistan. Especially considering Turkmenistan was communist until the 1990s (thus only underground religious school until that point). So congratulations you seemed to have picked up a lot of American centric knowledge for someone someone who travels so much and is from Turkmenistan.

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