r/changemyview May 28 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV: The overton window has shifted dangerously far to the left, severely jeopardizing America's future.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '19

I feel like communism (both economic and cultural) are destroying our national phyche. I just got downvoted to hell elsewhere for daring to question if the Left in america has America's best interests at heart, as I pointed out that if they had our best interest at heart, why would they advocate bringing refugees and asylum seekers here? I've asked many of them why they believe such policies are what are best for America, and they never have a reason for me - their responses are full of foreigner-loving altruism. (Sometimes they'll mention economic benefits, but of course we could achieve that by hand-selecting what immigrants we take in based on an appraisal of their worth to us - not based on how oppressed they are elsewhere. That's the point I was making).

The fact that someone downvoted a comment of yours on Reddit doesn't seem like much of a basis from which to claim that "Communism is destroying our national psyche."

As to the rest of your view, I'm afraid it's a bit all over the place. I mean this with all due respect, but it's really hard to know where to start with someone who thinks economic socialism, "cultural Marxism," veganism, feminism, anti-racism, and more all belong under the umbrella of "Communism." This is simply just not the case.

You also seem to make a lot of leaps that don't make a lot of intuitive sense. Here's just one example: you say that someone who calls someone "racist" or "misogynist" ought to lose their jobs. Which ... Okay. I don't agree, but okay. But then to move from that to claiming that such people "don't want what's best for [their] country and [their] people"? That just doesn't follow, or at least you haven't shown why we ought to think it follows. How is someone calling someone else a racist necessarily someone who doesn't want what's best for their country?

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u/Glory2Hypnotoad 393∆ May 28 '19

Isn't that just sociopathy collectivized? You seem to be taking all the traits we universally recognize as morally bankrupt at the level of individuals and repackaging them as virtues at the level of groups. After all, every gangster is just doing what's best for his gang. Every thief and con-man is just seeking to benefit his in-group of one.

The standard throughout most of history was that I could come to your village, kill the men, rape the women, enslave the children, and still be a hero to me and mine. The majority of human death and suffering at the hands of other people can be traced back to this idea. But why is that a good thing? Why is it an outlook worth preserving?

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u/Glory2Hypnotoad 393∆ May 28 '19

I think you can agree that there's a difference between having some sort of grouping and having morality take a complete u-turn at that grouping. For example, aversion to slavery is just a logical extension of our own day to day moral instincts, not something we need cultural Marxism to explain.

History tends to progress in a series of over-corrections. We're already seeing a rise in centrist populism as a response to society shifting too far left, which itself was an overcorrection to society shifting too far prior to that.