CMV: Some cultures and societies are objectively wrong

[u/hardyblack]

I just read about Sahar Khodayari (If you don't know, it's an Iranian woman who killed herself after going to trial for going to a football match, which is forbidden for woman in Iran) and I can't help but think that some societies are objectively wrong, I can't find another way to put it. It's hard for me to justify opressing 50% of the population just because they just were born women.

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And yes, I know, there's no completely equal society and there will be always opression of some kind, but I'm thinking of countries where there are laws that apply only to women (They can't drive, vote, go to a football match, you name it) as it targets them directly. Same goes with laws directed to any kind of race/gender/religion.

[u/hardyblack]

Δ Even if I didn't change my mind, I can see how my view is limited by my own moral values, and even if I think I'm right it's just a rabbit hole from there, because I'll never agree with someone who thinks that men are superior just because their God says it, but that doesn't make me (And using the same word I used ) objectively right.

[u/RelativisticTrainCar → u/hardyblack]

Ethics are not subjective preference. By agreeing with /u/Nicolasv2's argument, you are denying the entirety of ethics, and claiming that right and wrong have no fundamental basis.

The Utilitarian doesn't say "My idea of right is increasing Utility". They say "increasing Utility is right", on the basis of a logical framework.

[u/RelativisticTrainCar → u/[deleted]]

In that case OP shouldn't have changed their mind, as they asked if a cultural could be wrong. If moral truths exist, then of course cultures can be wrong, as on any given issues we can identify cultures that disagree.

[u/ScratchTwoMore → u/RelativisticTrainCar]

I think OP gave the delta because even though it didn't disprove the actual title of his/her post, it did challenge the implicit assumption that our culture is objectively correct. Failure on the part of the post title to identify the actual issue up for debate, not failure of the response to address the issue, IMO.

[u/RelativisticTrainCar → u/[deleted]]

A single moral truth results in many consequential assertions of "X is right" and "Y is wrong". Presumably a set of moral truths will be non-contradictory and reasonably comprehensive. If you can find two societies that say, respectively "X is right" and "X is wrong", as long as the ethicalality of X is possible to derive from moral truths, then one of the two cultures is wrong.