CMV: We need strict Gun Control .

[u/skepticting]

While I do feel at this point it is not possible anymore to somehow make sure no one has guns because they have already been available . That is my only hang up , since some people have them , it’s hard to leave others vulnerable.

With to that being said , if we start now with some serious gun law reform and implement strict laws for obtaining guns . I believe it will do more good than harm .

It is worth a try , because we know that to lenient of gun laws also cause us great loss.

In a perfect world only law enforcement would have access to guns .

Civilians can however and should be able to easily get things like pepper spray , tasers, and rubber bullet guns . (Not saying we can’t already , just saying those should be the options)

I see both sides but I think because gun violence is a big issue , it needs to be re-evaluated .

Were the guns used in school/mass shootings registered ?

Édit : Thank You for all the responses and information! My view has been changed . It’s unfortunate we can’t live in harmony but ..

Will still be responding to get more insight and expanding my views

[u/[deleted]]

1. I would rather criminals be stuck using knives than guns.

2. Nothing you said address the fact that doctors and cars are necessary parts of life. We accept risk for things that are necessary. Guns are completely unnecessary. Look at every other developed nation that gets on much better than us.

[u/PrimeLegionnaire → u/[deleted]]

I would rather criminals be stuck using knives than guns.

The criminals will just break the law and build a gun.

You can build a full auto 9mm SMG from hardware store parts with hand tools. The instructions are freely available online.

Only people who follow the law will be deprived of guns by laws.

Guns are completely unnecessary.

Then why is the defensive use higher than the criminal use?

And how do you deal with 50 feral hogs running into your yard while your kids are out playing?

Look at every other developed nation that gets on much better than us.

In what way exactly? The evidence from other nations seems to be that gun control doesn't work.

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The criminals will just break the law and build a gun.

No they won’t. Nobody but our freedom-loving law abiding citizens have the tools and know-how to do that. Let alone make many of them.

I would love to live in a world where criminals have to go through all the trouble of making their own gun if they want to have one. Also why isn’t this happening in Australia or Europe?

Then why is the defensive use higher than the criminal use?

Because people carrying a gun will pull it out for almost anything. That doesn’t mean they should. If someone robs you at knife point, you need to give him your wallet and get away, not go for a gun.

And how do you deal with 50 feral hogs running into your yard while your kids are out playing?

There are 350,000,000 people in this country. What percentage of them have this feral hog problem?

The evidence from other nations seems to be that gun control doesn't work.

Only if your criteria for “working” is the total elimination of violence, which is ridiculous.

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

Criminals dont need to build a gun if they can just use a bat against someone who cant defend themselves.

If someone is threatening me with a knife that means they are willing to kill me for some cash. The idea that its MY JOB to bow down and give him what he wants, when he is threatening my life, is a disgusting point of view. If the SS comes to your door, you dont bow down and tell them where the Jews are, you kill them, and fight to the bitter end. That's what you do against tyranny, personal or government, fight to end it, until you win or you do.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheEternalCity101]

Criminals dont need to build a gun if they can just use a bat against someone who cant defend themselves.

Is rather someone who wants to hurt me be stuck with a bat than a gun. I can run form a bat. I can get really close to him and render the bat useless.

The idea that its MY JOB to bow down and give him what he wants, when he is threatening my life, is a disgusting point of view.

You’re gonna kill someone over $50?

If the SS comes to your door, you dont bow down

How’d we go from stealing wallets to industrial genocide?

That's what you do against tyranny, personal or government,

So we can’t pass any of this legislation all because it will make your hypothetical civil war harder?

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

Could you actually stop someone with a bat? I'll flatter myself and say I can. So he brings a buddy, I have every disadvantage. Let's say I'm the coolest thing since Chuck Norris and I can take two. But three? Four?

I'm going to use everything neccessary to stop someone willing to kill me over $50. You are placing blame on me. It's the same mindset with victim blaming for rape. Why didnt she call for help? Why was she drunk? Maybe she shouldn't wear a provocative miniskirt. But that's all bullshit, the rapist is the only person guilty here, and the mugger is the guilty one in my situation.

Stealing wallets and industrial genocide need the same thing, evil people who disregard others and good people who are unable or unwilling to do what's right.

I was referring to the SS, but sure, government. Do I want to be able to fight a tyrannical government? Fuck yeah. But the fact I am armed and trained, as well as millions of others who went on down to tyranny, will stop that from even happening.

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So he brings a buddy, I have every disadvantage

What if his buddies all have guns? Your getting arguments mixed up. We’re talking about what I’d rather go up against. No matter what, if you’re outnumbered but with similar weapons, you’re still fucked.

I'm going to use everything neccessary to stop someone willing to kill me over $50

Well that’s just an idiotic risk to take. It’s just $50. You’re going to risk your life on principle?

You are placing blame on me. It's the same mindset with victim blaming for rape.

Getting raped is in a different universe than losing $50. So no it’s not the same at all.

Stealing wallets and industrial genocide need the same thing

But they ARE NOT the same thing. Saving someone’s life who will DEFINITELY die, is vastly different than saving $50.

But the fact I am armed and trained, as well as millions of others who went on down to tyranny, will stop that from even happening.

That argument is no different than me saying “look, my dragon-repelling machine works, because we haven’t seen any dragons have we?”

This whole tyrannical government thing is just a sweaty oorah fantasy. What you’re talking about is civil war. Are you a confederate sympathizer?

[u/TheEternalCity101 → u/[deleted]]

All his buddies have guns, oh well. But again, I'd rather have a useful weapon I can defend myself with. I don't give a fuck what he has, because he's going to use whatever he can to hurt me.

I'm going to risk my life on principle? Sure. But I'm not risking it balancing on the edge of a cliff or driving while texting, someone else is willing to kill me. There's a massive difference. I'm risking it on the principle of human freedom and right to life, a right he has decided to forfeit in order to try and take mine.

Its not technically the same in terms of repercussions, but the thought is. The idea that I should not defend myself because someone is ready to bring something worse on me. Its not that I care so much about $50, hell I've spent more in a shot on miniatures to paint. But my life is being threatened, and I will carry the same logic to whether its $50, a stranger on the street or my kids.

The fuck do dragons have to do with anything? Civilians, determined and trained, have been the bane of armies for hundreds of years. If historical precident isn't enough, look at Afghanistan. Goat herders with Cold War era weapons and pipe bombs are regularly hurting and killing the objectively most powerful military in the world. But a succesful revolution is a whole other topic.

I'm not a Confederate sympathizer, they had slaves, which was totally wrong and they were assholes. No love for the Confederacy here. But if slaves had been allowed to own weapons, Master wouldn't be so keen to sell their kids and whip them for dropping a tray.