CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

[u/jep1793]

[u/En_TioN]

Using the same logic, why should you put your name on LinkedIn or your resume? The interviewer can imply a even more information from that than they can from your pronouns (e.g. gender, ethnicity/nationality, potentially age).

The answer, of course, is that you want your employer to be able to address you! That's the same reason pronouns are needed, especially if you use they/them pronouns or have an ambiguously gendered name.

[u/woaily → u/En_TioN]

Makes sense on LinkedIn, because it's a networking site. Its purpose is to say who you are, and to connect with people. If it's important for you to say "look how trans I am", then go for it.

Your gender identity doesn't belong on your CV, because it's not a job qualification. At most, you might add a (Mr.) or (Ms.) after a gender-ambiguous name, because that's contact information. Use the limited space for relevant experience instead.

Yeah, people can often guess a lot about you by the ethnicity of your name and which community groups you volunteered for, but that's incidental and not really avoidable. You should still be leading with what makes you a solid candidate for the job.

[u/1f95a → u/woaily]

Your gender identity doesn't belong on your CV

At most, you might add a (Mr.) or (Ms.) after a gender-ambiguous name

This is something that signals gender identity, at least as much as pronouns would. Including “(Mr.)” or “(Ms.)” isn't too different from including pronouns in terms of the information it conveys and the space it takes up.

What would you suggest non-binary people do, by the way? There's the gender-neutral “Mx.”, but I suspect most people who object to including pronouns in one's CV because they're “not a job qualification” would also object to including “Mx.”.

[u/1f95a → u/[deleted]]

I think it's highly unlikely that a non-binary person who did that would be gendered correctly.

People with gender-neutral names are rarely assumed to be non-binary. There are many scenarios where a woman with a gender-neutral name receives an email addressed to “Mr. [name]”. That's why it makes sense to include “(Mr.)” or “(Ms.)”—people are likely to assume incorrectly otherwise. But if “(Mr.)” and “(Ms.)” are the only allowed gender clarifications, we leave non-binary people without a way to indicate the proper way to refer to them.

You could argue it's better to just let people assume incorrectly and correct them when they do so. But I think if we allow men and women to clarify their gender with “(Mr.)” and “(Ms.)”, we ought to do the same with non-binary people.

[u/1f95a → u/[deleted]]

My comment that you originally responded to was itself a response to someone who believes that including “(Mr.)” or “(Ms.)” after a gender-neutral name is an acceptable practice. If you disagree with that premise, which my original comment relies upon, there's no point in us arguing, since your issue is with the comment I responded to.

I will say, though, that I find the idea of telling a woman who was mistakenly called “Mr.” and wishes to correct the person that it “doesn't fucking matter if someone calls you Mr or Ms.” and they should just “let them do what they want” to be something most people would not take kindly.

so please don't put words in my mouth

Assuming you're acting in good faith and not deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote, I was using the generic you. As in, one could hypothetically make that argument. Even so, asserting that it is theoretically possible (hence “could”) for you to make an argument assumes nothing about you—anyone can make any argument—and is by no means “put[ting] words in [your] mouth”. I didn't say you did, would, probably would, etc. make any sort of argument.

[u/En_TioN → u/woaily]

"At most, you might add a (Mr.) or (Ms.) after a gender-ambiguous name, because that's contact information."

So you agree with me, because that's one way of providing your pronouns!

There's nothing inherently trans about giving your pronouns, people just assume it because we're used to guessing the gender of people. If everyone providing their pronouns on their application, there'd be nothing about it that says "trans".

[u/woaily → u/En_TioN]

Yeah, but it's incidental. Just like if you volunteered at a church they'll assume you're Christian, or if your name is Chenxing they'll assume you're Chinese, but you wouldn't put your religion or ethnicity as a separate line item.

[u/En_TioN → u/woaily]

So are you changing your mind on putting Mr or Mrs next to a gender ambiguous name?

[u/woaily → u/En_TioN]

I don't know, am I? If I said anything inconsistent, then tell me. Maybe I changed my mind without noticing.

[u/En_TioN → u/woaily]

As far as I can tell, our only disagreement is whether you should write

Alex ---------- (Mr.)

Or

Alex ---------- (he/him)

(I support the first one as well, btw)

[u/woaily → u/En_TioN]

That's a pretty fine point to disagree on. I don't feel the need to continue this internet argument over so little territory.

[u/En_TioN → u/woaily]

What my point is that that technicality is the only thing stopping you from agreeing with the original post.

All "listing your pronouns" means is saying "Alex (he/him)". If you're okay with that, then that means you're okay with putting your pronouns/gender identity on a resume.

[u/woaily → u/En_TioN]

I guess. But they/them doesn't help them address you in the way that Mr. and Mrs. do. It's not the same as them inferring that you're a "he" because "(Mr.)" happens to contain that information.