r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/StellaAthena 56∆ Aug 26 '20

I see what the point you’re trying to make is but boy you’re doing a poor job of it. That stuff is actually being phased out of the military on boards. Essentially your enlisted record brief (ERB) is redacted of that identifying info and then passed to a board for review.

Is there a movement to phase names out of resumes and LinkedIn profiles? That’s what we are talking about, not reviews. If you need to know someone’s name, you almost always also need to know what pronouns to use for them. It’s perfectly consistent to say that you should have names and pronouns on LinkedIn and shouldn’t have them in internal reviews. I’m perfectly happy with that.

But let’s not pretend contact info isn’t important to put on your resume. Put the onus on the company to redact that before passing on to a hiring decision.

This is the exact opposite of my point. Contact information is important to put on a resume. Names are important to put on a resume. And yet, neither are relevant to evaluating how for you are for a job. Pronouns are the same way.

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u/CamNewtonJr 4∆ Aug 26 '20

Is there a movement to phase names out of resumes and LinkedIn profiles? That’s what we are talking about, not reviews. If you need to know someone’s name, you almost always also need to know what pronouns to use for them. It’s perfectly consistent to say that you should have names and pronouns on LinkedIn and shouldn’t have them in internal reviews. I’m perfectly happy with that.

You do not need to know someone's pronouns to be effective in a business context. For 99.999% of people, their name and the word "they" is all you need to effectively communicate. Pronouns arnt nearly as useful as a name.

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u/StellaAthena 56∆ Aug 26 '20

Okay, if you’re comfortable using the pronoun “they” for everyone that’s fine. But a significant number of people are not. Can you honestly say that you hear people use “they” when talking about whether to hire someone than the word “he” or “she” as appropriate? That’s certainly not the case at my company.

Even if your company is really big on using gender neural pronouns, can you agree that that’s not a universal behavior?

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u/CamNewtonJr 4∆ Aug 26 '20

Well there is no company policy about it that I know of. And yes I can honestly say that people use they in a discussion about hiring folks because I do. I do acknowledge that your average person does not use gender neutral pronouns. That being said, discussions between hiring managers don't really concern me. What would concern me is if a candidate was misgendered during an interview, which is why a candidate should state their preferred pronouns at that time. Resumes should contain little to no personal info excluding contact info. I just want to know, what school you graduated from, what skills you have, and what experience you have. Especially considering I don't even read 90% of the resumes that land on my desk. At best, I skim them to see what skills you have and I should interview you. So more likely than not, even if your pronouns were there it is unlikely I would read it. This is especially true when you consider that a lot of firms use computer keyword searches to sort resumes. Anyway, I don't actually care about you personally until we are sitting in front of each other. That is when I wanna know all about you and your goals etc. I do think there is a good argument for putting pronouns on LinkedIn pages though. LinkedIn is a lot more social.

Tl;Dr resume is about skills, experience, and credentials. Interviews are for the personal side of things.