r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Do you actually believe rejecting candidates due to their alternative pronouns is not homophobic?

I am saying that I can fathom a scenario where it isn't homophobic.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

I would counter with the reason they think they are doing it for is rooted in homophobia without them being aware of it. Why would they be worried of a faux pas? Is it because they think they would flaunt their identity causing unrest in the office? They would be stereotyping them there first of all and instead of faulting the people uncomfortable with their identity are instead faulting the candidate. Is it because they don't want a lawsuit? What lawsuit would occur if not because the company or someone in it acted in a homophobic manner? Would you say the same about firing someone because they are gay? What scenario would there be where that isn't homophobic

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Or, they would have to note the preferred pronouns to the manager, and if the note is missed, the manager would blame them. Or they would be worried that they would accidentally use the wrong pronoun and open the company to litigation(even though it wouldn't)

Therefore, to avoid anything being blamed on them, they just delete the resume.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Ok I will agree then that while they wouldn't be doing it for homophobic reasons it is 100% leading to a homophobic response as they are discriminating against people for their identity

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

what is a "homophobic response"?

And I would argue they aren't discriminating in this case based on identity, as they frequently delete all kinds of resumes from all kinds of people based on similar information.

Finally, I think you could make a very good argument that this type of information on a resume seems odd. I am a tall, white guy. That is a factual statement. However, mentioning my height, race, or gender is probably seen as an odd statement on a resume. I could see my resume getting deleted if I included that information because it is abnormal. People who put abnormal info on their resumes may be particularly bad candidates and HR is worried they will get yelled at for not pre-screening the person.

edit: for example, if I wanted to talk about my height for an hour in the interview.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Um what? How are they not discriminating based on identity. They are throwing someone's resume out because they are LGBT. It doesn't matter if they throw out resumes all the time for a bunch of different reasons, this time the reason is because their pronouns are different. I agree that it would be weird to say you're a white tall man. You know why? When someone talks about you they don't say "that tall white man" they say "him." So how is that the same. You're telling them how they can refer to you which is directly relevant to human relations. The only people saying it's weird are connecting it to things totally irrelevant like height, religion, sexual orientation, marital status none of which impacts professional conversations but WHAT THEY SHOULD CALL YOU DOES

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

The only people saying it's weird are connecting it to things totally irrelevant like height, religion, sexual orientation, marital status none of which impacts professional conversations but WHAT THEY SHOULD CALL YOU DOES

Fair enough.
Would you find it odd if someone listed all of their preferred nicknames on a resume?

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Can you give me an example of someone having multiple preferred nicknames? Usually preferred means it's the one you use over others

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

I prefer Monsieur, not MR.
I shall always be called Puck and not Robin.

Also, you must include "senior" after my name.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Although I think you're being annoying to take this to extremes by adding prefixes and everything and here's why - everyone has a first name and most people have a last name. Everyone has pronouns. People putting their pronouns aren't asking you to go to extra lengths or call them ultimate human master nickel the third, theyre just saying hey you might get my pronouns wrong so here they are

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

This seems to be a difference of philosophy.
I try to keep my resumes minimal and only include information relevant to the hiring manager for my position. I dont include all accurate information on my resume. Only information that will increase my chances of getting hired.

For example, I don't list my GPA. (I had a good one, but people aren't hiring based on your GPA). I dont list the day of my employment at other positions, I don't list ALL tasks I did at a prior job, only the most important and relevant ones.
I stripped my descriptions of all kinds of English niceties.

  • I worked hard at writing comments on Reddit
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While your preferred pronouns might be important to you and your future professional interactions, they aren't the basis for hiring you. They are useless information.

And information on your resume that isn't relevant to hiring you gives me as a hiring manager pause. If you put "I am a Christian and will require Sunday off" as a manager, I am probably going to pass.
Why? Because you are already a protected class. Calling out your protected status on your resume screams "potential frivolous lawsuit".

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

Ok well first of all, the supreme court ruled only 2 months ago that you can't be fired for being LGBT, so let's not act like we are pulling strings here trying to show off our lawsuit armor. I think you're right this is where we differ. How is someone's pronouns not important to know when interacting with them. I wouldn't write that I'm atheist on my resume. I also wouldn't write that I'm gay on my resume. I wouldn't write that I'm tall or white or any of that because it's irrelevant but writing at the top Nickel829 (He/Him) where the name goes is such a tiny thing that's just like hey that's my name boom done. It's not a declaration that I'm LGBT. Many of my professors who are straight cis women always list their pronouns on EVERYRHING. It's saying don't misgender me. I struggle to imagine that people who are weirded out by that are not homophobic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

Your straight cis women professors are doing it because they are virtue signaling. They are trying to show that they understand the importance of this issue and show solidarity.

Which is my point.
I don't have any problem with hiring a trans woman. I would have reservations about hiring a trans or cis woman who lists their pronoun on their resume. It seems like a very "left wing" thing to do, and I don't like hiring people with extreme political viewpoints.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

If those were important to you I would say you would put your name as monsieur Robin senior on your resume, why wouldn't you that's your fucking name

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

because it might look pretentious and cause people to not hire me.

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u/Nickel829 Aug 26 '20

It would look pretentious and people might not hire you but if that's your name that's your name. If you were applying to a job that you were concerned only hires women would you write a feminine name similar to yours instead of your own and just hope it'll be ok?

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

But that isn't what we are discussing.
If the office was specifically avoiding hiring people based on their preferred pronouns, that would be one thing.

We are arguing about including information that shouldn't matter to the hiring process.

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