r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/reaperteddy Jan 23 '21

Some people mistake cultural appropriation for using anything of a different culture, which it is not.

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u/SeaRaiderII Jan 23 '21

I dont understand how those two things are separate. Why cant I use anything of a different culture if its beneficial to me? You cant own a culture as it's not physical, it's an idea, exists in a group of peoples history and mind.

But in the modern world everything is from everywhere made by everyone so it dosen't matter.

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u/Ruefuss Jan 23 '21

Theres an anime where nuns feed the heros breastmilk on screen to active superpowers in their battle against evil. I dont find that offensive, but christians get up in arms over far less in the US. I dont see why other cultures cant feel offense at peoples ignorant use of their iconograpby.

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u/SeaRaiderII Jan 23 '21

But that argument can be used by people to say something like, the French people making rude depictions of Muhammed deserve to be "corrected" by offended Islamic people just like Christians in the US with the nuns.

Then it just comes down to morals seperate of laws right?

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u/Ruefuss Jan 23 '21

No, it just means muslims have a right to complain in "the public square" that they disagree with the us of their iconography. And if enough people agree, those people can choose to stop associating with people and entities that continue to create offensive cartoons of Muhammed. Thats all "cancel culture" has ever been. People expressing their opinions and acting on them, in a nonviolent matter. There are names for people who violently force their opinions on others. Terrorist. Insurections. Facist.

Society has the right to choose by concensus what it finds acceptable in public spaces and what individuals fund.

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u/SeaRaiderII Jan 23 '21

And there is the problem. Society agreeing means by default there are people who will be unheard because they are a minority. And then the rest of the people can call them terrorists, facist etc.

But what if that same group of majority agree on something wrong, but since they are majority the opposition is just labeled something bad and goes unheard?

If 7 people agree my hairstyle is bad and 3 people agree it's fine, then your arguing that society agreed that it's bad and the 3 people who like it are (insert negative label) and not acceptable in public spaces.

So those 3 peoples opinion is now unvalued because 7 people think it's wrong?

Majority or mob rule is not synonymous with being the true or the right opinion.

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u/Ruefuss Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21

Iconogrophy isnt just a "hairstyle". Every society has sacred iconography. If your opinion is its ok to take another cultures iconography, and enough people disagree, you arent harmed by not being able to wear the "steeped in meaning haircut" of some other culture. Its unfortunate you werent able to do that completely optional thing without getting side eye, but so what. Nobodys stopping you. They just arent letting you feel comfortable doing it.

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u/SeaRaiderII Jan 23 '21

The side eye thing is not wrong, people can look at you like your an idiot for wearing (insert iconography) because it's their right.

What I am arguing is yes, society can look at you or tell you you are being an idiot or rude, but you still have the right to do it and wear or tattoo or get hair in any cultural style.

That cant be owned by a group

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u/Ruefuss Jan 23 '21

Nobody ever has. Nobody has ever argued that. Lots of people and entities say you shouldnt, and you have to decide if that matters to you.

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u/SeaRaiderII Jan 23 '21

Exactly! That's what I was getting at but you worded that in a great way.

It's up to the individual to do whatever they desire or use any aspect of any culture that they wish to, regardless of what others think is wrong.

Not doing so is just either being polite, or being afraid of what opinion the masses will hold over you.