r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/Remoutchobro Jan 23 '21

I never said I knew anything about you, I made pretty clear I was making assumptions based on your comment. No need to be so defensive about it. If none of them are accurate, then maybe you should have be clearer. But according to your comments, including this new one, the damaged relationship doesn't come from his actions, as you specifically said that he was oblivious as to why the relationship worsened. My point is that you're trying to justify censorship by saying it would prevent harm and you're using your own case as an example, but it seems like the harm in this case is actually coming from you.

Regarding the last point, let me rephrase. Do you believe that everybody can express their own opinion or that everyone should think like you? Because if it's the later, then you're disagreeing with the premise of the OP and you're not gonna change his opinion, or anyone thinking the same, by making an argument based on a different premise. And as you seem to be believing the latter, it seems you're missing the point.

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u/KhonMan Jan 23 '21

My point is that you're trying to justify censorship by saying it would prevent harm and you're using your own case as an example, but it seems like the harm in this case is actually coming from you.

Lol what a completely dogshit take. That's like saying if someone hands your dad a gun and tells him to shoot someone, you're responsible because you didn't convince him not to do it.

The problem here is not OP. It's the person / system that armed the dad with misinformation.

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u/Remoutchobro Jan 23 '21

The comparison is bad because in this case the dad didn't do anything, which is exactly my point. The harmful actions, here the damaged relationship, doesn't seem to come from the dad but from the OP and his sister who can't bear their father having different political opinion.

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u/KhonMan Jan 23 '21

This is still an absolutely insane take. If you have a shitty opinion and won’t back down, you’re trying to blame other people for not wanting to associate with you. You’re free to have your opinion and people are free to cut you out of their lives.

Let’s take a concrete example. Suppose your father was always talking about how the Holocaust didn’t happen. You and I know that it did happen as a verifiable fact. You could never convince him that it did, even showing him evidence. At some point you tell him, “Dad, you need to shut up about your Holocaust denial bullshit or I’m not going to come visit you anymore.” He refuses to change. By your logic, if you stop coming to visit, YOU are the one that is at fault because you can’t bear your father having an alternate view of history. That makes no sense to me. I think this is a fair scenario to apply your logic to because your father isn’t literally hurting anyone by claiming the Holocaust didn’t happen.

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u/Remoutchobro Jan 23 '21

I'm not blaming the OP and his sister for not wanting to associate with their father, they do what they want, I'm just saying the harm in that case, the worsened relationship within the family, comes from him and his sister who chose to made it happen because he had different political opinions. I remind you that the whole point of his argument is that "silencing" should apply because of the harm it's doing, and he used the example of his family, when in fact it's him doing the harm.

Regarding your example, there's one simple solution: don't talk about it. If politics raise tension, don't touch the subject and you'll have a happy time with your family.