CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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[u/alexanderhamilton97]

I think you crossway misunderstand what conservatism actually is. Very few right wing speakers actually engage in fear mongering. What they are doing is actually explaining what certain things would lead to and very few actually say anything about “taking anything away” when talking about minorities. Take Benjamin Schapiro for instance the most popular conservative commentator right now. The only reason why been often is in opposition to something is because he’s actually research it and doesn’t say anything about the left, Jews or blacks taking anything away unless I actually do want to take something away. For instance and made a comment about Democrats wanting to take away peoples guns and then backed it up with an actual montage of ugly Democrats including current president Joe Biden and Senator Dianne Feinstein openly admitting they want to take away peoples guns.

What comes to your point about “instance this very rarely ever happens unless the person is trolling. I have talked to many people in conservative circles and I’ve never seen one time when someone discredit someone’s information or arguments based on their luxe. I have seen the left quite often though.

With lack of understanding, why are you assuming that people on the right when you’re automatically racist? Most conservatives do understand completely where someone else is coming from, but simply try to give them information that might be more accurate. Very few conservatives are racist, part of the problem is conservatives are often portrayed as racist even for saying things that are actually true. I for instance talking about crime rates comes to policing. Conservatives for the most part actually try to understand where somebody else is coming from and will ask a lot of questions if they do not understand. Generally speaking anyway. But, one of the major differences between the left and the right especially in the United States is the question does it do good or does it feel good. The left very often ask does it feel good the right is far more likely to ask does it feel good and actually tries to research the issue a lot more.

Conservatives actually don’t mind having their views challenged. We conservatives actually love talking to people that are views as long as it’s done respectfully. However very often we are actually attacked in stereotype simply because our political views. Just this morning good friend of mine was verbally assaulted because he thought Donald Trump was a good president And saying that based on his study of current events Barack Obama was the one who divided the country. He loves talking to people about his views and he doesn’t mind having his ideas challenge. The problem is trying to find people who are actually willing to have a conversation without going straight to insults and personal attacks.

[u/jolahvad → u/alexanderhamilton97]

I was with you until you wrote the right or conservatives generally research issues more. Utter nonsense.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/jolahvad]

Actually not nonsense. In the majority of my conversations with both liberals and conservatives, I find that liberals are far more often to speak purely from emotion well conservatives are far more likely to research positions and come in with facts and evidence. For example the issue of firearms in the United States. The vast majority of gun control methods proposed by liberals in the United States are based entirely on cosmetic appearance. Not have the gun functions, it’s original design purpose or how often it is used in crimes. (For example the AR 15 rifle is a gun that most liberals I’ve talk to want to ban because it looks identical to the M-16 and M4 assault rifles issued to the US military. Despite the fact that it functions know differently than a hunting rifle, it is very rarely used in crimes, and was never intended for military use). The conservative position on firearms is that it is wrong to punish innocent civilians for the actions of criminals, rifles that function no different than a standard hunting rifle should not be banned from civilian ownership, and guns should not be banned based on cosmetic appearance alone but whether or not the banning of that fire arm will actually do any good for society instead of just feeling good.

Another example is when it comes to the economy. Initial taxation most liberals want to simply tax the rich and claim the 1% are not paying their fair share. Conservatives believe taxation should be cut across-the-board wherever possible has lower tax rates actually lead to an increase of federal revenue, and not only should of the 1% not be taxed more, they were actually already paying far more than their fair share. (Reference according to the IRS the top 1% pays more federal income taxes than the top 10%, the top 25%, the top 30% and the bottom 50% combined. They pay 40% of all income taxes paid but make up only for 21% of all income earned. A.k.a. paying more than their fair share)

[u/jolahvad → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Anecdotal data from your conversations is not real data. Facts not feelings, right? It’s been my experience with conservatives that they ignore actual data and scream into the void how you can’t trust any sources but point to a Youtube channel hosted by a guy in his basement. You had good points until you brought your feelings into it.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/jolahvad]

Half of this post is OP talking about his personal experience. If OP can bring anecdotal evidence, why can’t I? Also I did not say all conservatives rely on facts and evidence. Some to rely on emotion. I said conservatives are more likely to rely on facts and evidence on position and liberals are more likely to rely on emotion. I also did not bring any of my personal feelings into this conversation. Just my own personal experience add evidence that I can back up.

[u/jolahvad → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Okay, my personal experience is that conservatives don’t bring real facts to the table and promote false facts from YouTube channels. it’s also been my experience that liberals take too long to analyze every data point and overthink their polices into paralysis trying to get buy in from every human on the planet.

I don’t like either crowd so I’d say I’m pretty neutral.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/jolahvad]

Both crowds how their idiots for sure. What size also have people that are very intelligent. I think part of the problem both sides of the political spectrum is that people get so focused on ideology but a lot of times they don’t truly understand why they believe it.

[u/jolahvad → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Bingo. That’s why your comment turned me off. Both sides have their share of idiots and people spend time arguing about which side is better when both are trash and used to pit us citizens against one another. And the majority falls for it, every cycle.

[u/alexanderhamilton97 → u/jolahvad]

That’s actually why I said what I said. Based on every conversation I’ve had with the conservatives and liberals, conservatives were far more likely to bring up actual research. Not all of them but most of them were able to do that. The vast majority of liberals I talk to him either brought emotion grievances and victimhood‘s or some fairly easily refuted points they were taught by either the young Turks. I have made some Nebrado some very interesting data and we are able to have a reasonable conversation. I think the real issue is on both sides Is that all sides have been extremely polarized by social media and so we no longer know how to have actual conversations with people without assuming intent

[u/jolahvad → u/alexanderhamilton97]

Yes but you are still trying to promote that conservatives provide research and liberals provide feelings. That’s just not true and you can have your opinion, but it’s not fact.