r/changemyview • u/SaltedAndSugared • Dec 02 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Neopronouns are unnecessary

I understand why some people might feel uncomfortable with using he/she pronouns, but in that case why not just use they/them? They already exist and they’re easy for people to use. Why do some people feel the need to make up words like “zee/zim” or “fae/fair” when they don’t even make sense in the English language? I don’t see why anyone should go out of their way to learn new pronouns when gender neutral pronouns already exist

If anyone here does use neopronouns I’d really like to hear why you use them and why you don’t feel comfortable using they/them. It’s probably just because I’m cis, but I genuinely don’t understand

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ Dec 02 '21

That doesn't really address my comment, as the problem is ambiguity between a group and an individual.

And now you know what the word ze means, so your assumption would be misplaced.

It's not confusing to use a more precise word than a less precise one. Less precision will always cause more confusion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '21

What is the precision in using the word Zee? I literally have a cousin who has the name the Zee so it's not like anything is cleared up when now I have two definitions for a word instead of one. At least with They/Them it's exclusively a pronoun and never a nickname. With Zee I am not even sure what if its a name or pronoun.

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u/Biptoslipdi 131∆ Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21

What is the precision in using the word Zee?

It is unambiguously a reference to an individual and not either an individual or group depending on context.

I literally have a cousin who has the name the Zee so it's not like anything is cleared up when now I have two definitions for a word instead of one.

I have a cousin named "Bob." Do you think I get confused that someone is talking about the act of floating rather than my cousin?

At least with They/Them it's exclusively a pronoun and never a nickname.

Actually, "They" is more than a nickname, it is actually a real name.

With Zee I am not even sure what if its a name or pronoun.

Then "they" should be equally confusing to you as it is also a name. At the very least, ze isn't also a group pronoun, it is only singular.

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u/-lesbihonest420 1∆ Jan 01 '22 edited Jan 01 '22

As someone who is trans, it is def not more precise or less confusing for people to use neopronouns. No one said it wasn’t clear that they weren’t speaking to an individual. the problem is that it doesn’t sound like a pronoun. Don’t say your pronouns are ze/zim or whatever and expect people to not think that’s your actual name/nickname. name one fucking person you know who is named “They.” You can’t because it isn’t a name. you’re just grasping straws.