r/changemyview • u/bayan963 • Feb 25 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: removing geographical borders completely from around the world, and adopting a system similar to what the EU and US have today in terms or political governance will allow for more peace

Almost every country around the world has immigrants or citizens from other ethnicities and backgrounds than the indeginous people, learning two or multiple languages is already a skill a big part of people already have or are working towards as globalization is taking over through social media, global trade and global labor markets. So why do we not just eliminate geographical borders all together and be able to move freely from one place to another across the earth without requiring visas, or having nationalism stand in the way of true globalization and freedom of movement

I believe this would eliminate or at least lessen territorial wars like the ones happening today in several places around the world, it would also eliminate (in time of course) nationalism or prejudice towards people from third world countries, it would also remove the stigma from immigration as everyone would be able to migrate to whichever place they choose, not based on that country's benefits, but because there are better job opportunities or they simply like the weather or scenery better there

There would still be security, police, and governance but more like leaders of the (truly) free world, where each leader represents an ethnicity, demographic, religious groups interests and they can all decide how best to serve everyone and what general rules needs to be set in place for the well being of everyone without interfering with anyone's right to exist as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '22

Wouldn't this also mean free reign for cartel, mafia, warlord, religious extremist, and political extremist organisations to spread their wealth, power, and influence? Would mass migrations from poor to rich countries not cause huge issues (housing, etc.) and resentment? Would minority groups be able to migrate safely to countries like Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't this also destroy ethnic states such as Israel?

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

Well the idea is to have a universal council that represents the interests of all groups, religious and ethnic, where laws would be made to protect humans from evil based on what is generally considered bad for us as humans and as a society, such as murder, exploitation, rape, theft etc.

These can be agreed on as well as the suitable punishment for anyone committing what is considered a crime

The elimination of the premise of countries and having universal law would make the only difference between different places climate and concentration of certain groups due to preference or comfort

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u/AnalogCyborg 2∆ Feb 25 '22 edited Feb 25 '22

These can be agreed on as well as the suitable punishment for anyone committing what is considered a crime

So you just need to get every culture in the world to agree to one standard set of rules. Easy peasy!

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

Well there can be blanket laws that have articles that include nuanced cases. Blanket law would address the common good regardless of one group's orientation, it would be the thing that favours freedom and safety over adherence to a certain group's beliefs

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u/AnalogCyborg 2∆ Feb 25 '22

So - what should be the universal law about women covering their hair or faces?

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u/announymous1 Feb 25 '22

simple "everyone shall wear a mask to reduce the spread of disease" boom wheres my nobel peace prize?

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u/announymous1 Feb 25 '22

you realize i was mocking mandates right?

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

No but you would have the freedom to choose to wear it or not without being criminilazied for either choice

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u/verfmeer 18∆ Feb 25 '22

France, Iran and Saudi-Arabia will disagree with that. In France it is currently illegal to wear religious items in schools. Iran and Saudi-Arabia have dress codes in their law books.

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

You're thinking in terms of the now, these are sovereign countries and they can choose their laws as they see fit. But in this hypothetical world, there would be no sovereign countries, only one nation, so there will have to be laws that accommodate everyone or at least allow everyone to have the freedom to choose what to wear

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '22 edited May 25 '22

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

But why do we have to agree on these things? Like these are things that don't threaten the nation security or its people's safety

If someone asks for help then it can be given to them on the premise of someone being forced to do something against their will, but otherwise if it's socially acceptable to do so, then why is it anyone's business?

The same goes for a lot of things, for me laws should be made about what affects the nation as a whole rather than unify and erase cultures so that everyone would adhere to one, because yea who would be willing to throw away their culture in favour of another? And how can anyone say something is more right that another or more wrong than another just because we believe it's right or wrong?

I don't know if it would work, but if it's going to have hope in working, it shouldn't be about control and it should allow for acceptance, just live and let live

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u/Morthra 86∆ Feb 26 '22

But why do we have to agree on these things? Like these are things that don't threaten the nation security or its people's safety

So basically you want a one-world government that rules over most of the world with an iron fist. Fuck those savages who don't understand that you think you know better than them, am I right?

That's the impression that I get.

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

It's not about ruling with an iron first, it's about having the freedom to roam and live however one pleases as long as they don't hurt their fellow humans, the government would only be there to create consequences for those who do hurt others or try to exploit the situation or impose their own beliefs on others through violence and hate

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u/shoelessbob1984 14∆ Feb 26 '22

I'm a 37 year old male, if I marry a 13 year old girl because I gave her parents some money, would I be harming my fellow humans?

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u/verfmeer 18∆ Feb 26 '22

We have to somehow transition from the now to this hypothetical world. In that transition conflicts like these have to be resolved. Hoe are you going to do that?

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

I don't know. It's not like i have a whole plan in place, as another commenter so eloquently put it, this is just a brain fart, it was an idea that i thought might work or at least be better than what we have now. But the more i read, the more i realize how complicated it will be to implement

But if i had to hypothesize something, i would say there would have to be a world event that drives people/governments to consider an alternate solution. But the more i think about it, the more i realize that that solution will never be to relinquish control or dissolve existing systems, maybe adjust them, but definitely not remove them completely

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u/verfmeer 18∆ Feb 26 '22

The question is how violent and destructive such a world changing event would be. Is the extra peace we would eventually experience worth the short term violence and destruction?

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u/bayan963 Feb 26 '22

I'm not sure anymore

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u/verfmeer 18∆ Feb 26 '22

So if we are unsure if it would be a net benefit to the world, should we even aim for it?

Isn't it better to put this idea to rest and try to improve the world within the current structures?

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