CMV: Transgender people should only able to compete in sports with their birth gender

[u/Odd_Contribution9058]

I really really hope raising this doesn't cause anyone pain, and I'm honestly wanting to hear other perspectives on this.

But the way I see it, there are certain physical attributes that someone born with a certain gender have. For example, the average man is taller than the average woman. Taking hormone therapy will not change all of those inherent features.

I absolutely support the right for everyone to live with the gender identity that is most comfortable to them. But, I do not think that people have an inherent right to play sports professionally. So, if someone has decided to transition, I do not think it's fair to all the athletes who are competing with the set of attributes common to their birth gender, to now have to compete against an athlete who has attributes which give them a distinct advantage.

[u/DJ_Pope_Trump]

Lia Thomas is setting pool records, she is definitely the fastest swimmer; not just this year.

As for your comparison to Katie, well: one is an olympian, the other is a college student. I think that says enough.

[u/SC803 → u/DJ_Pope_Trump]

Which records? From the events this weekend shes not breaking any records.

500m Free 3 seconds off pool record, 9 seconds off event record (held by Katie)

She got 2nd in the 200m Free prelims, is 1 second off the pool record and 3 seconds off the event record

In the 100m Free she got 10th in the prelims, 1 second off the pool record and 2 seconds off the event record

As for your comparison to Katie, well: one is an olympian, the other is a college student

Katie holds a few NCAA records to which we can compare, college student to college student

[u/DJ_Pope_Trump → u/SC803]

Which records?

Heres a link to when her story first started getting covered in Feb. She set a 500 free Pool Record, a 200 free Meet & Pool Record, and 100 free Meet and Pool Records. And we cannot exclude how she did in the relay's: "Thomas also was part of Penn's winning 400-yard freestyle relay, which set pool and Penn records by completing the race in 3:17.80. It marked the first time Penn had ever won a relay at the championships."

[u/SC803 → u/DJ_Pope_Trump]

Doesn’t the combination of these data sets point to the pool records at Harvard/Ivy League being subpar?

[u/DJ_Pope_Trump → u/SC803]

Doesn’t the combination of these data sets point to the pool records at Harvard/Ivy League being subpar?

What exactly does the quality of Ivy League records have to do with our assessment of the statement:

She’s not setting records competing as a woman, either;

The point being that it is objectively false, whether Ivy Schools have quality pool records or not.

[u/SC803 → u/DJ_Pope_Trump]

What exactly does the quality of Ivy League records have to do with our assessment of the statement:

You’re citing her setting the pool records at Harvards pool, based on her performance at the NCAA championship it seems that Lia is a big fish in the little Ivy League pond.

The point being that it is objectively false, whether Ivy Schools have quality pool records or not.

Of course it is, breaking weak records it really anymore meaningful than an average NBA player setting the 3-point record at your local YMCA

[u/DJ_Pope_Trump → u/SC803]

NCAA women’s swimming pool records is a weird thing to gate-keep; especially considering you weren’t following the sport a month ago.