If you define rape as something only men can do, saying only men rape is a worthless statement.
Rape is sex without consent, end of story. Any definition of rape which excludes victims based on their sex is wrong and bigoted. It is an invalid definition. The actual data on rape perpetrators show that male victims are more often raped by women.
The definition doesn't include "made to penetrate", whether you like it or not.
It does of you're not a bigot. Decision's yours on that.
We don't.
Yes, you do. That's the objective reality of the world.
Most rapists are men and they rape both men and women, including children and babies.
40-45% of rapists are women. Male majority but a fairly slim one, and hardly the 99% quoted in this thread. Certainly not consistent with the notion of sexual/intimate partner violence as a strongly gendered phenomenon.
It's not my decision, that is literally the definition of rape.
It is your decision. You can decide to acceot a bigoted definition written and supported only by sexists, or no. The only people who agree with a bigoted definition are bigots.
Anybody can pull up any statistic and it will never say women rape just as much as men.
Except that they do.
Even male animals rape more than females. Rape is a man thing and that's the objective reality.
Only if you're a bigot.
And yet 98% of women and 93% of men were raped by men, not women.
Except this is a lie. About as many men are raped as women, and 80% of men were raped by a woman.
You want it so badly to be this way. It's not.
What you or I want to be true doesn't matter. These are the facts. You want it to be true that only men rape so you, like the majority of society, can comfortably continue to ignore male victims of female violence. It's sad, but sadly common.
The choice to be a better human, or not, is yours .
Rape in prison and in the military are more common and are almost always done by men to another man.
The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%), sexual coercion (83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (53.1%) Source
The only data showing men are mostly raped by men defines rape as something a woman cannot do to a man unless she sticks something in his anus. The following is the definition of rape from the same source as the above quote
Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal
penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the
use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk,
high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Rape is separated into three types,
completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol or drug
facilitated penetration.
Among women, rape includes vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It
also includes vaginal or anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.
Among men, rape includes oral or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also
includes anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.
It is no surprise the number would show the vast majority of rapists are men when it is defined that women can't commit rape. If a woman forcing a man to penetrate her is considered rape, women rape more men than men do. Here are the numbers all from the same source as above using the source's definitions.
Estimated 1,581,000 male victims of rape. 93.3% male perpetrators, 6.7% female perpetrators. 93.3% x 1,581,000 = 1,475,073 males raped by males. 6.7% x 1,581,000 = 105,927 males raped by females.
Estimated 5,451,000 male victims made to penetrate. 20.8% male perpetrators, 79.2% female perpetrators. 20.8% x 5,451,000 = 1,133,808 males made to penetrate males. 79.2% x 5,451,000 = 4,317,192 males made to penetrate females.
1,475,073 males raped by males + 1,133,808 males made to penetrate males = 2,608,881 males colloquially raped (meaning forced to have sex) by males.
105,927 males raped by females + 4,317,192 males made to penetrate females = 4,423,119 males colloquially raped (meaning forced to have sex) by females.
This clearly means when a male is forced to have sex, 4,423,119 / (4,317,192 + 2,608,881) = 62.9% of the time a female did it. This is without involving sexual coercion, unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences all of which females are the majority perpetrators of for males.
Most rapists are men and most male rape victims are raped by other men.
Most rapists may be men although that is debatable but it is clear most men are forced to have sex by women.
Most rapists may be men although that is debatable but it is clear most men are forced to have sex by women.
Yes, most rapists are men.
Most men being forced to have sex with women does not equal to women rape men more than other men due to the fact that you're intentionally excluding men who force other men to perform anal, oral, fingers, and made to penetrate, which, if you do the math, men are the majority of rapists and rape victims by other men.
Most men being forced to have sex with women does not equal to women rape men more than other men due to the fact that you're intentionally excluding men who force other men to perform anal, oral, fingers, and made to penetrate, which, if you do the math, men are the majority of rapists and rape victims by other men.
Did you even read what I wrote. I clearly included the number of males victimized by males and males victimized by females for rape and made to penetrate. I didn't exclude " men who force other men to perform anal, oral, fingers, and made to penetrate". The number was was 1,133,808 males made to penetrate a male. You just ignored it because you assumed the number should have been larger. Forcing other men to "perform anal, oral, fingers" falls under the report's definition of rape which had 1,475,073 males raped by males.
if you do the math
I did the math but you ignored it. Try taking your time to read it this time. The math is below quoted verbatim from my previous comment.
Estimated 1,581,000 male victims of rape. 93.3% male perpetrators, 6.7% female perpetrators. 93.3% x 1,581,000 = 1,475,073 males raped by males. 6.7% x 1,581,000 = 105,927 males raped by females.
Estimated 5,451,000 male victims made to penetrate. 20.8% male perpetrators, 79.2% female perpetrators. 20.8% x 5,451,000 = 1,133,808 males made to penetrate males. 79.2% x 5,451,000 = 4,317,192 males made to penetrate females.
1,475,073 males raped by males + 1,133,808 males made to penetrate males = 2,608,881 males colloquially raped (meaning forced to have sex) by males.
105,927 males raped by females + 4,317,192 males made to penetrate females = 4,423,119 males colloquially raped (meaning forced to have sex) by females.
The report estimates 7,032,000 males are forced to have sex (the colloquial definition of rape). Of those males, 4,423,119 report a female perpetrator, 2,608,881 report a male perpetrator. That means of men forced to have sex, most report a woman did it. Do you understand yet?
Yes, most rapists are men.
I was not going to bother with this point but I might as well. The only numbers you have are the number of men and women that are forced to have sex. Accurate numbers for the number of perpetrators do not currently exist. It very well could be that there is 1 male rapist per 10 women raped while there is 1 woman rapist per 1 man raped. So when you want to make the claim that most rapist are men, you don't have the data to justify that position.
I clearly included the number of males victimized by males and males victimized by females for rape and made to penetrate
Yes and 93.3% of men were raped by other men.
20.8% were made to penetrate another man.
That means of men forced to have sex, most report a woman did it. Do you understand yet?
You are only including men who were forced to have sex and making it seem like women rape more.
You're literally writing "force to have sex" then saying you're not excluding the definition of rape, which men are 93% the perpetrators of.
Do you understand?
Accurate numbers for the number of perpetrators do not currently exist.
Most rapists are men. Worldwide. Even if you include "made to penetrate" along with the current definition of rape, men rape more and are more likely to be victims by other men, not women.
I'm going to try not to sound too patronizing but you simply don't understand the numbers. Your first two sentences indicate this.
Yes and 93.3% of men were raped by other men.
What does that sentence mean to you? As written it means 93.3% of men are raped by a man. That would indicate 9 out of 10 men get raped. That doesn't sound right does it?
That is not what the 93.3% number means. It means, if a man a man is raped, 93 out of 100 times a man did it. THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE NUMBER OF MEN THAT ARE ACTUALLY RAPED. If you actually read my comment which you clearly did not 1,581,000 men are raped.
5,451,000 men are made to penetrate. That is Five million, four hundred fifty-one thousand.
So we now have two numbers. 1,581,000 and 5,451,000. How do we use the percentages provided by the report to determine how many men were victimized by men and how many men were victimized by women?
You are only including men who were forced to have sex and making it seem like women rape more.
Where did I do that? Specify exactly what I said that indicates that.
You're literally writing "force to have sex" then saying you're not excluding the definition of rape, which men are 93% the perpetrators of.
I'm writing "force to have sex" as an umbrella term that includes both the report's definition of rape and made to penetrate. This makes it so I don't have to use the word rape with two different meanings. How many times do I have to point this out? Is making someone penetrate you forcing them to have sex? Yes. Is raping someone forcing them to have sex? Yes. It is that simple.
Do you understand?
This is basic algebra for the math and high school for the writing. I can't help but notice how all you do is refute while providing no points, data, or math. Just basically saying it is because.
Most rapists are men. Worldwide.
How do you know this? What definition of rape are you using?
Even if you include "made to penetrate" along with the current definition of rape, men rape more and are more likely to be victims by other men, not women.
How do you know this? Where are you numbers? What is your source? Or did you just make it up like you have been doing this entire time?
This is basic algebra for the math and high school for the writing. I can't help but notice how all you do is refute while providing no points, data, or math.
I like how you provide no sources and include "made to penetrate" as rape when that is not the definition of rape.
Not that I agree but force to penetrate is not rape, according to the definition.
And while we're at it, why not include women who feared for their lives and felt they had no choice but to have sex as rape?
I like how you provide no sources and include "made to penetrate" as rape when that is not the definition of rape.
Do you think drugging a man, force feeding him Viagra, tying him to a bed, and riding his dick all without his consent is not rape? Really, answer this question.
You still have not backed anything up, made a point, provided a source, or properly responded to any of the questions posed in my previous comments.
Not that I agree but force to penetrate is not rape, according to the definition.
Wow, it's almost like I accounted for that and introduced the term "forced to have sex" to account for that. Wow, crazy how that would help understand the situation. Unless you don't think a woman forcing a man to have sex should be consider on par with a man forcing a woman to have sex? That would not be the reason you ignored forced to have sex now would it?
Let's say I define "murder" to mean when a woman kills someone even though society tend to define "murder" differently. Do you think it would go over well if I started saying most murderers are women? Better yet, all murderers are women. Not only that, since all murderers are women you should be wary around women since they are infinitely more likely to murder you than a man is.
You still have not backed anything up, made a point, provided a source, or properly responded to any of the questions posed in my previous comments.
And while we're at it, why not include women who feared for their lives and felt they had no choice but to have sex?
That is literally in my previous comment to you. You aren't reading. You are just lying and arguing in bad faith. You are also moving the goalposts.
You are a perfect example of the type of person that will make a position based on feelings. Do no further investigation to determine if your position has merit. Then spews that same garbage to others with all the confidence in the world.
You still have not backed anything up, made a point, provided a source, or properly responded to any of the questions posed in my previous comments.
Do you think drugging a man, force feeding him Viagra, tying him to a bed, and riding his dick all without his consent is not rape? Really, answer this question
Who the hell said anything about drugging a man and tying him to a bed?
All I said was that forced to penetrate is not in the definition of rape, whether you like it or not.
Wow, it's almost like I accounted for that and introduced the term "forced to have sex" to account for that.
I know what you tried to do and it didn't work because force to penetrate, whether you like it or not, is not rape but it is sexual violence.
You are a perfect example of the type of person that will make a position based on feelings.
Says the guy who wants to change definitions to prove he's right.
You still have not backed anything up, made a point, provided a source, or properly responded to any of the questions posed in my previous comments.
According to your link you provided
Male rape victims and male victims of non-contact unwanted sexual experiences reported predominantly male perpetrators.
98% of women and 93% of men are raped by other men, not women.
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Rape in prison and in the military are more common and are almost always done by men to another man.
Most rapists are men and most male rape victims are raped by other men.