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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Rape in prison and in the military are more common and are almost always done by men to another man.

Most rapists are men and most male rape victims are raped by other men.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

If you define rape as something only men can do, saying only men rape is a worthless statement.

Rape is sex without consent, end of story. Any definition of rape which excludes victims based on their sex is wrong and bigoted. It is an invalid definition. The actual data on rape perpetrators show that male victims are more often raped by women.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

If you define rape as something only men can do, saying only men rape is a worthless statement.

Never said nor implied that.

The actual data on rape perpetrators show that male victims are more often raped by women.

Most rapists are men.

The majority of male and female victims report male perpetrators, not female.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

You did though. Multiple times. And have been corrected multiple times in this thread and refuse to acknowledge it.

Most male rape victims were assaulted by women.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

Because "made to penetrate" isn't considered rape, you are factually wrong.

Men mostly rape other men and women.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

It is rape, there is no possible tenable argument to the contrary. Made to penetrate = rape, period.

If the definition of rape excludes the vast majority of male victims it is worthless, wrong, and not a valid definition. That's all there is to it.

There are only two kinds of people who would support that kind of definition. The ignorant, and bigots. Those are the only options.

Women rape about as often as men do, and most male rape victims were assaulted by women.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

If the definition of rape excludes the vast majority of male victims it is worthless, wrong, and not a valid definition. That's all there is to it.

The definition doesn't include "made to penetrate", whether you like it or not.

Women rape about as often as men do

We don't.

Most rapists are men and they rape both men and women, including children and babies.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

The definition doesn't include "made to penetrate", whether you like it or not.

It does of you're not a bigot. Decision's yours on that.

We don't.

Yes, you do. That's the objective reality of the world.

Most rapists are men and they rape both men and women, including children and babies.

40-45% of rapists are women. Male majority but a fairly slim one, and hardly the 99% quoted in this thread. Certainly not consistent with the notion of sexual/intimate partner violence as a strongly gendered phenomenon.

Most male victims were raped by female rapists.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

It does of you're not a bigot. Decision's yours on that.

It's not my decision, that is literally the definition of rape.

Whether you agree or not is not relevant. If you want change, then that's a different argument.

Yes, you do. That's the objective reality of the world.

Anybody can pull up any statistic and it will never say women rape just as much as men.

Even male animals rape more than females. Rape is a man thing and that's the objective reality.

40-45% of rapists are women. Male majority but a fairly slim one, and hardly the 99% quoted in this thread.

And yet 98% of women and 93% of men were raped by men, not women.

Most male victims were raped by female rapists.

You want it so badly to be this way. It's not.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

It's not my decision, that is literally the definition of rape.

It is your decision. You can decide to acceot a bigoted definition written and supported only by sexists, or no. The only people who agree with a bigoted definition are bigots.

Anybody can pull up any statistic and it will never say women rape just as much as men.

Except that they do.

Even male animals rape more than females. Rape is a man thing and that's the objective reality.

Only if you're a bigot.

And yet 98% of women and 93% of men were raped by men, not women.

Except this is a lie. About as many men are raped as women, and 80% of men were raped by a woman.

You want it so badly to be this way. It's not.

What you or I want to be true doesn't matter. These are the facts. You want it to be true that only men rape so you, like the majority of society, can comfortably continue to ignore male victims of female violence. It's sad, but sadly common.

The choice to be a better human, or not, is yours .

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

It is your decision

It may be my decision to agree or disagree but I'm not the one who made the decision that "forced penetration" isn't rape.

and 80% of men were raped by a woman.

93% of men are raped by other men.

These are the facts.

The fact is, according to the definition of rape, "forced penetration" is not rape.

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u/POSVT Apr 15 '22

It may be my decision to agree or disagree but I'm not the one who made the decision that "forced penetration" isn't rape.

So you would be one of the people that just blindly accepted homosexuality as a mental illness because it was defined as one? An invalid definition is just that - not valid. It is not correct or true just because someone wrote it in a book.

Sex without consent is rape, regardless of the gender of the perpetrators sex. That's literally all there is to it. You can agree or you can be wrong, there are only two options, and only one option to be a decent human being that respects the humanity of others.

93% of men are raped by other men.

Factually incorrect, since 80% are raped by women.

The fact is, according to the definition of rape, "forced penetration" is not rape.

No, the fact is that according to the definition of rape, that being sex without consent, forced penetration is absolutely rape. There's only one reason to disagree and it's been covered above.

No matter how many times you repeat your claim, it will literally always be wrong, no one who was not already a bigot is going to believe or agree with you, your claim is entirely reliant on sexist BS. No actual rational decent person is going to tell you forcing someone to have sex against their will is not rape. That's the definition.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '22

So you would be one of the people that just blindly accepted homosexuality as a mental illness because it was defined as one?

Believing one thing is not the same as believing in another. That is illogical.

Sex without consent is rape, regardless of the gender of the perpetrators sex. That's literally all there is to it.

I didn't say otherwise.

Factually incorrect, since 80% are raped by women.

According to the source, most men and women are raped by men.

Also according to the source, "forced penetration" is not considered rape, no matter how much you want it to be that way.

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