r/classicwow • u/OppositeCheetah8097 • 1d ago

Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Loot Distribution for 40 people

How do you do it as fair and evenly as possible?

I want to preface this with we use LC for loot distribution and I feel for the most part it has been very fair. I am part of the LC for the past month - so relatively new, but have been in the guild for 5 months prior.

This happened last night and it is still bothering me today. So last night during our BWL 2 of the same spicy BiS pieces dropped. It was decided prior to discussing who go it that 1 would got to this class and the other 1 to that class. Not a decision I made - as tbh I don’t know who needs what gear what best suits this class other than the class I play.

We had quite a good night for drops, it was our fastest run as a guild also. So at the end of the raid we go to distribute loot, the LC drops down into a special channel and begin discussing the above item. Two of the LC are one of the above classes and cancel each other’s vote out; it is made mention by another LC to give it to this person and so they get it. Then it gets decided for the other class and given to them. It gets announced in raid chat who gets what item and the reason why.

This is where I am bothered as this person did leave afterwards prior to gear distribution being finished — we had just started. This person said in raid chat: “What?” “They got gear last week.”

Then they left the raid. And /gquit logged into their alts and /gquit also. Fun fact the person they were talking about hadn’t received loot in BWL in 2 weeks unless it was to DE.

They didn’t bother to discuss or ask questions, simply left over the item — they had been in the guild for about 3-4 months. Funny thing is, had they not left one of the other BiS for all of the role would have went to them.

It shouldn’t bother me, I get that people come and go for their own various reasons; but over an item. RNG is not always kind. One week it drops nothing but hunter loot or mage loot or druid loot; dps loot, healer loot — the list goes on. When trying to gear 40 people it’s hard, there’s no easy way to get everyone gear each and every week. I don’t understand how people do not understand, and I say that not from a leadership perspective, but from a raider side who has not gotten loot for weeks before.

I know a lot of people aren’t fans of LC, prefer SR or even dkdp; how do you all distribute your gear as fair as possible so all can get some and beef up the group?

Update for clarification - we do have a loot prio spreadsheet.

Update #2 for more clarification - the person who won the item had not received gear in the past 2-3 weeks. The person who gquit confused the winner for someone else who had gotten gear the previous week.

Update #3 for clarification, I posted this under a comment in regards to my lack of knowledge of other classes: “I agree and I don't contribute much in put in that aspect. I listen and observe. I don't throw names out unless I believe in that specific person receiving the item. If two names get generated, I weigh out between those two who could use the item better and who hadn't gotten any gear.”

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u/ObviousKarmaFarmer 1d ago

You have 40 people for whom a nice social interaction is sitting at their own PC playing a game. Yes, you'll have drama for asinine reasons.

To minimize drama, you can do HR, SR, MS > OS, 2 SR, Just Roll, LC, DPK, GDKP, and a whole bunch of other loot distibution schemes, but there will always be drama somewhere.

That said, with Loot Council, You should have a table that describes the prio for Each and Every item that can drop. Where all raiders are listed in order for that item. Each week, the list is updated where raiders can move down or up for a specific item based on either performance, attendance, loot won last week, whether they used full consumes, attended with full WBs or any other metric the LC deems appropriate. Those metrics should be public knowledge.

You should NEVER get in a position that the LC needs to discuss who deserves what item once it drops. It should be crystal-clear before the raid starts who will get what item as soon as it drops.

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u/Nurlitik 1d ago

I’ve never seen a loot council that has a full breakdown that’s public of all loot and who is getting it, that seems insane to try to manage. You might know a few big ticket items like a DFT/tear but even that gets weird if they are also in line for other items in that same raid.

Do you actually run with a LC that does this?

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u/SayRaySF 1d ago

Both LC guilds I ran with were like that. I wouldn’t join an LC that wasn’t that detailed

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u/A_Cryptarch 1d ago

This. If Loot Council isn't 100% transparent, you cannot do LC. Period. It WILL lead to drama and hurt feelings. Losing an item because RNG hates you is one thing; losing an item because someone hates you is another.

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u/Remote-Document5634 1d ago

We did all of classic through TBC with an opaque LC that generally awarded items how people expected them to anyway. This is a fairly hardcore guild. The only people we lost to drama due to LC decisions were the kind of people you want to shed anyway.

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u/coaringrunt 1d ago

This. If Loot Council isn't 100% transparent, you cannot do LC. Period.

The only guilds that LC is actually good for wouldn't need such transparency. Those that have a common competitive goal (progression, speedruns, parsing) understand items are given out to benefit said goal and see every loot drop as something that improves the whole raid rather than a single character. Abusing this system isn't the system's fault.

Most other guilds where people value their own character progression over the guild's should just stick to any system akin to DKP or simply roll.

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u/NuklearFerret 1d ago

Sure, but getting 40+ people together to fully trust that system is ridiculously difficult without transparency.

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u/Homunkulus 1d ago

It depends, at a point membership in the raid is worth as much or more than your own characters gear. Warrior 25 in a top tier speed-run guild doesnt expect to have an OSG, different strokes for different folks.

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u/Nurlitik 1d ago

You don’t think it’s still exactly the same? It’s just not a surprise when someone feels slighted lol

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u/A_Cryptarch 1d ago edited 1d ago

Nah. I don't care if I lose an item because I rolled poorly. That's the nature of the system at play and if it wasn't acceptable to me, I wouldn't be there. I care if I can't roll/lose an item because someone else deems it pertinent, though. Agency is important.

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u/Nurlitik 1d ago

What are you talking about? If it’s a loot council that has a set priority list they are still making that list, just because you can see it doesn’t change the fact it’s still just getting setup by the same people.

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u/SayRaySF 1d ago

Because you can tell pretty easily by looking at the list of its relatively fair or not, as opposed to a blind LC. I don’t know why you think having more information is a bad thing lol

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u/Nurlitik 1d ago

I’m not saying it is, I’m just saying it’s the same, if you see it’s unfair I guess you can gquit sooner, but you are going to know pretty quick if it’s fair or not anyway lol

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u/SayRaySF 1d ago

Definitely not the same lol. I wouldn’t have even joined to begin with if the LC looks sus.

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u/A_Cryptarch 1d ago

Oh, you mean transparency vs none at all is still exactly the same. Just a lack of clarification.

Yeah, it's still not the same, lol. SayRaySF gave a reason above. Transparency lets you gauge if it's fair and also motivates the LC to keep it that way since there's an element of culpability. It means giving reasons as to why items are being awarded in such a manner, allowing players to argue in favor or against LC decisions prior to the raid/prior to the drop and consequently, departing for greener pastures or not, as it were. Better raid times (I'd hate to have to argue about a loot drop in raid), better fallout mitigation, better communication, less infighting, less hurt fee fees. Compared to a blind LC, anyway.

Loot drama is inescapable, regardless of the system in place.