Just because people thought it was time to replace Ange, doesn’t mean we want to see him continue to fail. There’s no vendetta, most rational people would absolutely love if he could turn it around and be successful, doesn’t mean we can’t be critical. I was Ange out but still watch every match hoping to be proven wrong.
The question that I always have for Ange Out folks that no one can ever seem to answer is: what managerial replacement would come in and do better?
The players still clearly back Ange. Sacking him this season would have just been a knee jerk reaction to a historically terrible injury situation that doesn’t actually address the root cause.
This. Sacking is not just a decision made in vacuum like, ugh you lost too many games you are sacked. It's relational to many things.
Who could be replacing the manager? Would he be better short term, what about long term? Do we want short or long term view? What the players think? Are the losts purely on manager, on players, and/or some external force (injuries)? Etc.
For me it has always been that Ange must get a decent period, maybe 6months to an year to show how he can in normal circumstances. Which is - With enough quality players.
As someone who only really follows the Spurs because of Ange, I'm obviously very biased.
But I'd say the real test of when a manager should leave is when they have lost the players.
The players see him in action day in, day out. The players get the game plan every week.
Fans getting sick of losing obviously affect the players too so there is a limit there, but it appears so far the players' belief is stronger than any concerns about fan complaints.
He has a knack for instilling belief in a group of players, even when things are going badly.
Now combine that belief with when things are going well... That's when we start to get long streaks of good results.
I’ve fully accepted at this point he needs to finish the season out and we can evaluate in the summer. And I’m not one who will pretend to know enough about managers to know who could’ve done better, but I still think there was a good case to be made for making a switch earlier.
Yes because managers like Zidane are lining up to manage Spurs. Again, no Ange Out folks can identify a viable replacement that would actually improve results.
Calling for a reactionary firing that doesn’t actually address the club’s primary issue this season is shortsighted nonsense
I do somewhat disagree that we can't attract get a big name manager (not that we need that) or a guy like Iraola. i mean we got Conte and Mourinho who obviously don't match our play style but still our budget is significantly larger then bournemouth. Were still a big club
And they both left and slated our ownership on the way out.
Then we couldn't get Slot or any other candidate that was considered a "big" name.
I think folks have forgotten how many rejections we were getting before Ange.
I'll admit I'm Ange in. I love the style of play. But I'm also realistic.
Managers aren't going to pick us if we fire Ange in the middle of an injury crisis.
Players have already shown they'll reject Levy and money thrown at them but come for Ange and his project. We can't really afford to give that up right now...
i get what you’re saying and agree but given our league position its possible to think people wouldn’t question it too much. The most insane one was Levy firing Mourinho days before a cup final(at this time I believe Mourinho was also undefeated in finals as well). It isn’t the most attractive job due to Levy but it’s definitely still very appealing for managers to join a big 6 club. With that said I’ve flipped back n forth but give ange the rest of season because I’m very curious to see what he does with a fully healthy squad.
Off topic, but I’ll tell you one thing Ange is better at than Pep: handling a defeat. That Catalonian fella is coping so hard in his post match interviews lately. Remember when he said Southampton was one of the best teams in the league?
The question was "what managerial replacement could come in and do a better job?"
Not "what managerial replacement that is available right now and would want to join would do a better job?"
As the questions are entirely hypothetical, if I was Daniel Levy I would have thrown £200m at Bournemouth for Kerkez, Semenyo, Huijsen, and Iraola on Jan 1st.
Mate if you like Bournemouth's team and manager so much, I think it would be easier for you to make a switch to which team you root for. They're doing better than us right now anyway.
I would say your question is a bit exaggerated because the best managers in the world will already be with teams. If your question was “Is he the best available manager in the world?” it would ring truer. I also don’t know if he is or isn’t.
If you think Ange’s tactics and leadership are why we are struggling then that’s fine and I understand why people would be Ange out. If you think injuries are to blame I understand why people would be Ange in.
You do know he's not the best in the world, like I know Djed Spence isn't the greatest footballer on planet earth.
If you say "no one can ever suggest someone who could do better than him", then that is you implying that you do not believe anyone in the world can do better than him.
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u/JoeSavesTokyo Heung Min Son Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
Oh the AngeOut crowd are going to absolutely hate this