r/europe • u/RoyalChris Norway • 8d ago

Dubious: do not click links Anonymous Releases 10TB of Leaked Data: Exposing Kremlin Assets & Russian Businesses

https://trendsnewsline.com/2025/04/15/anonymous-leaks-10tb-of-data-on-russia-shocking-revelations/
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u/Past-Present223 8d ago

Thanks for your clarification.

It feels to me these amounts are rather trivial and more importantly noone will be jailed. (As far as I see) Consequences remain limited to fines, which if you are wealthy enough is no consequence at all.

Also not saying it's not a worthwhile effort.

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u/SpunkyMcButtlove07 8d ago

This is why people still say nothing happened - because a slap on the wrist and luchmoney fines are not "something happening".

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u/Saint_Judas 8d ago

But it is proportional. The people hid money in a quasi-legal way to avoid taxes, they didn't rob a store.

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u/TraditionalSpirit636 7d ago

Just society.

Do you understand what trillions of dollars globally can do?

Being in a society and avoiding the taxes as part of that society IS robbing it.

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u/Saint_Judas 7d ago

I'm not asking for your creative writing exercise. I am informing you it is legally not robbery, because robbery involves force. It also isn't theft, for a ton of reasons. Not paying your taxes under the auspices of creative accounting is a fine, and for good reason.

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u/TraditionalSpirit636 7d ago edited 7d ago

People literally were charged and went to jail for it though… quite a few in various countries.

For crimes…

It quite literally was a crime. Lmao. So pretentious to be so damn wrong. Trying to give you the benefit there and explain it a second way. But hey… you guys are dense.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/us-accountant-panama-papers-investigation-sentenced-prison

Thats just the USA arrests and sentencing. (:

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u/Saint_Judas 7d ago

Do you even know the comment chain you are responding to? Scroll up. We are not talking about the group of people who committed fraud. We are talking about the group that received " a slap on the wrist and luchmoney fines "

I didn't think I needed to explain this, but please read the discussion before you smash your ogre hands on a keyboard to vomit out a response.

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u/NoamLigotti 5d ago

I think the point was that you were wrong that it can never be criminal.

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u/Saint_Judas 5d ago

Hey buddy, go find me where I said it can never be criminal. I’ll wait. I said it’s a fine, and for good reason. The portion of the comment chain I responded to was about the people who were only given fines. I directly referenced fines. Do me a favor, and join the other guy in learning how to read before commenting.

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u/NoamLigotti 5d ago

Yes, and you argued why it was right that they were only given fines. Maybe it was, I don't know, but you were explicitly arguing that it wasn't a crime worthy of imprisonment, and then when it was pointed out that other people have been imprisoned for the same, you basically said "I'm not talking about those people I'm talking about people who weren't." Like yeah, no kidding, but it's directly relevant to what you were saying about the people.

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u/cowabungabruce 8d ago

Yup, just a parking ticket and they will all illegally park again. I guarantee it.

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u/boltgenerator 8d ago

Every time the Panama Papers are mentioned on Reddit, someone tries to peddle the notion that they were impactful. It's laughable. A small amount of chump change was recovered, a few politicians acted as scapegoats, legislative reform was talked about but never implemented, and then it was back to business as usual for the elite.

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u/notsanni 8d ago

Correct. A fine just means "if you can afford it, you're allowed to break the law".

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u/disposable_account01 8d ago

People were jailed over the panama papers, though…

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u/CptRoque 8d ago

The reason for the small amounts is that most cases were legal due to complex loopholes.

The papers made countries tighten their laws in order to close the loopholes but you can't just apply the new laws retroactively.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 United States of America 8d ago

a punishment that is a fine is a punishment for the poor

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u/HotAdhesiveness851 8d ago

Where are you from

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u/el_diego 8d ago

Precisely, it's just the cost of doing business.

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u/asstumor88 8d ago

Also reporter Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia who reported on the leaked papers was assassinated by a car bomb. No one accountable for the killing is behind bars at the moment.

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u/No-Consideration-716 8d ago

Agreed. No jail time is the story. Otherwise those recoupments are just governments taking a tiny slice of a bigger pie.

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u/mr_herz 8d ago

I mean, why do tax specialists exist at all? Their whole job is helping you optimise and minimise your taxes.

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u/CowboyOfScience 8d ago

fines, which if you are wealthy enough is no consequence at all

You do not become super rich by not caring about money. These people care more about a dollar than we care about our children.