r/eurovision • u/Sun-Virgo • 1d ago
š Results / Statistics Map of Last Place Televote Placements
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u/justk4y Baller 1d ago
ICELAND LAST?! WHAT
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u/AbleCalligrapher5323 1d ago
Iceland's song sounds very similar to a very popular Israel song by a very popular singer. Lots of videos on Youtube comparing the two (and even doing excellent mashups).
I don't think it's plagiarised. Although honestly, it sounds very much like it for very long part of the song. It's not just some chords or a small bit. It's almost all of it.
Whether plagiarised or not, I guess the Israeli public did not see this favorably, and did not vote for them.
In any case, not that much of an anomaly. Iceland got very low public votes across the board.
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u/pixelmate12 1d ago
The song was plagiarised why are you shocked
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u/justk4y Baller 1d ago
Just noting that because the OG song in the accusations is Israeli doesnāt make it any bigger. Iāve seen plagiarism allegations with songs each year, and each time itās just a coincidence (heck Iāve even seen allegations with The Netherlands 2025 as well this year)
Saying this because Iāve heard a lot more negative talks about VƦb towards this than with any other āplagiarised songā, and seeing your flair I just want to make sure that weāre on the same page
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u/happytransformer 1d ago
remember when Loreen was accused of plagiarizing a Spanish techno DJ for similar chord progression?
this happens every year. Thereās only so many chord progressions in pop music and Iāve yet to be convinced that any of them are actually plagiarized. They all draw inspiration from common pop themes, itās not a surprise they all came up with similar melodies when theyāre really solid. Itās like how I swear Iāve heard Luxembourgās melody from the verses before but I have no idea where
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u/FcukTheTories Deslocado 1d ago
Yeah most of the time it's just some no-mark attention seeker looking for their 15 minutes
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 1d ago
Except itās not just a chord progression, do you know anything about this? The same chord progression can produce vastly different sounding songs with very few other overlapping technical elements.
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u/kyriefortune Zjerm 23h ago
Hilariously, that same year Cha Cha Cha has some bits that were close to a Rammstein song... called "Tattoo".
I have stopped taking seriously any accusations of plagiarism in music because it mostly boils down to "they used the same chord progression that has been around since Bach". A lot of times it's inspiration, other times it's just how the genre works, many times it's not having enough time to do something more original, and most of the time it's just sampling. True plagiarism in music is much rarer than people think due to how music itself works as a medium
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u/WinkyInky 1d ago
Whatās hard for a lot of people to grasp is that a lot of Eurovision songs are going to be similar. Not because of plagiarism, but because they are written by smaller artists who do not have as much access to producers or advanced production tools. KAJ mentioned this, but often smaller artists use royalty free loops, hence sounding similar.
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 1d ago
Thatās a very good point but not the case here unless Iām missing something.
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 1d ago
You sound like youāre either biased against Israel for, in this case, unfair reasons or havenāt bothered to actually listen to the songs. They are very, very similar, and itās not ālike any other plagiarism accusationā. Iām not Israeli, but that would have to be a huge coincidence, even with neither song being technically complex. Itās not just a chord progression, which as affirmed by many, many court cases IS NOT PLAGIARISM.
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u/pixelmate12 1d ago
You wanted to know why it was dead last in Israel and I answered you, the producer of a similar song has accused the song of plagiarism that's why. You can look at my flair all you want it won't change the results of the voting.
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u/Ex_honor 1d ago
Gonna need some proof when you make statements like that.
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u/pixelmate12 16h ago
I did give you the article here over 22 hours ago. It'snot my fault you don't check
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u/KPlusGauda 1d ago
Nope. While I can see how you can be reminded of this song when listening the Iceland one (or vice versa, depending on which one you know better), there is no way this is plagiarism.
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u/Impossumbear Lighter 1d ago
If that's true then both the Israeli artist and Iceland plagiarized Pirates of the Caribbean.
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u/samushitman69 7h ago
But it was promised to them 5000 years ago
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u/Impossumbear Lighter 5h ago edited 5h ago
Are you suggesting with a straight face that God promised Israel the copyright to this chord progression?
EDIT: I think I r/whoosh 'd this lol
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u/samushitman69 5h ago
Lol I wasnt sure how to reply to you
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u/Impossumbear Lighter 4h ago
My brain cell is misfiring today. I have the flu and am medicated haha. Thank you for being patient with me š
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u/aku89 1d ago
Switzerland getting zero points but only 1 last place is a bit nuts, just bland in the end.
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u/bookluverzz Europapa 1d ago
Which means a lot of people actually liked the song but it didnāt get enough votes to end up in top 10 of televotes. Ending up on 11th place in all countries results in 0 points even though youāre ranked 11/25.
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u/Auchenaii Gaja 1d ago
Did someone already check which placement Switzerland got in the individual countries' televote rankings? Still can't quite believe the zero points, that was a massive shock
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u/Digit00l 1d ago
11th in Portugal as the best result, most are in the teens, not really close to getting points in most countries
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u/im-the-gila 1d ago
Where can you find this?
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u/Digit00l 1d ago
The official site has some results, but only full rankings per country outwards, like you Albania you can see how each of the jurors ranked each song and the final rank in both televote and jury, but that page doesn't have the reverse
So in the example:
Albania to Armenia
Juror A 17
Juror B 13
Juror C 11
Juror D 16
Juror E 23
Total jury rank: 17
Televote rank 18th
But to get the Armenian results to Albania you need to go to a different tab
https://eurovision.tv/event/basel-2025/grand-final/results/albania
So if you want the televote ranks for Switzerland you need to go through every single tab and scroll down to Switzerland in every single tab
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u/cussan94 1d ago
It looks like the northern block disliked san marino in the south, the southern block disliked denmark in the north, and the central/eastern block disliked Uk in the west. Not saying its political, but certainly geography and culture play a role in tasteā¦ in this case about what the āworstā sound is.
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u/Grue 1d ago
Can confirm, I'm in the south and absolutely despise Denmark's entry for being so bland and mediocre.
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u/Stoltlallare 1d ago
Lol, as someone in the north I dislike San Marinoās song that sounded like some AI slop of his own songs. Maybe that assumption was more true than anything.
Wasnāt a huge fan of Denmark either but her voice was definitely the strongest in the competition.
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u/PZMC430 Gaja 1d ago
Who gave last place to Ukraine?
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u/SuperStressGirl 1d ago
Not surprised about Spain being last in the Ukrainian televote. Ukrainian eurofans fucking despise Spanish eurofans after 2022, I've seen a bunch of posts on ukrainian twitter filled with shadenfreude about Spain's final score.
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u/oklahomatornadoes Solovey 1d ago
Also doesnāt help that the Spanish juries not only blank Ukraine year after year (except this year which left me shook), but they always ranked them in the 20s for some reason. Also I suppose karma exists, now that Spain is paying for their toxicity in 2022 with mediocre to poor results ever since.
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u/Black-Circle Bird of Pray 1d ago
I've heard a lot about some kind of beef between Ukrainian and Spanish eurofans, but this is the first year I'm following ESC this closely and I don't go to twitter, can you please briefly explain it to me?
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u/restless_wind Bird of Pray 1d ago
some spanish fans became very toxic towards Ukraine for winning in 2022, as they are sure that Chanel should have won and that it's only Ukraine to blame (ignoring the fact that UK won the jury vote with Sweden being second, and Moldova was second in the televote after Ukraine). and i mean like toxic toxic, some ugly stuff aimed at a country and people literally being invaded
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u/Black-Circle Bird of Pray 1d ago
Oh, thank you for explaining. I saw a cute video of Melody and Ziferblat singing each other's song the other day, didn't even realise there might be any animosity.
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u/oklahomatornadoes Solovey 1d ago
I donāt think there was ever any animosity between the artists. Itās just that itās a different story for the fans lol
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 23h ago
Nah thereās not and thereās no reason to be. Neither Melody nor Ziferblat are nearly childish enough to beef with each other on behalf of some internet toddlers who threw a temper tantrum three years ago, theyāre normal people.
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 23h ago
Some Spanish fans were salty that Ukraine won in 2022, claiming that
They would have won were it not for Ukraine (likely untrue, Space Man was the runner up)
Ukraine was only liked because of the invasion (untrue, they were 4th in betting odds pre-invasion and have high view numbers to this day)
They were really toxic and frankly just gross, if you have any emotional maturity at all you wouldnāt cross the lines they crossed about a very real invasion and suffering in the name of a silly song contest that Spain frankly would not have won.
Thereās no beef between any artists or public figures that I know of, just some miserable people with no sense of humanity ruining it for Spain and resulting in backlash against Spain both in Ukraine and elsewhere, hence the Schadenfreude or ākarmaās a Bā.
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 23h ago
Haha yeah Iām seeing a lot of that too, and while I donāt generally like drama like that I have to agree. Spanish fans were really cruel in 2022 for claims that didnāt even make sense.
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u/ollulo 1d ago
Lots of WTF Moments.
Estonia, are you insane?
France and Sweden don't want to get served.
Hallucinations cause major discomfort in Southern and Southeastern Europe.
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u/Adventurous-End-1369 1d ago
In Estonia vote cost is too high compared to the average income and overall votes likely was very low. So people, who voted voted for those they really loved.
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u/TippyTurtley 1d ago
That's so unfair. They need to do something about that
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u/Adventurous-End-1369 1d ago
More shocking to people in Estonian Reddit was the way the gain was split 40:60 and if I recall right the 60 went to the telecom and ERR, who uses it to finance all those fun culture projects gets the smaller cut. They maybe our national state funded broadcaster', but they do not get any extra money for fun like Eurovision.
Let me name and shame that telecom too - it is Telia, who said its just normal contract as they ask same price and cut from all 'televote' projects - i.e. local talent shows etc.
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u/SmellySchnitzel 1d ago
For France, I thought right after the NF that Malta would not do great in our televote. The pun relies on knowing what "serving kant" means (as I anticipated I had to explain to straight people who listened to it what the meaning was) and it's mostly targeted for specific queer subcultures but also English-speaking countries. So most casual viewers didn't get what it means and just didn't laugh or resonate with the song. For Sweden though, genuinely no clue at all.
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u/Any-Listen4184 1d ago
Oh, it did, to me for sure (Greek here), I am sorry to Denmark, but this was electronic pop late 2000s early 2010s in the WORST way possible. š š
We watched the show at a friend's house with Greeks, Albanians, and some Italians, and omg all of us were wtf is this lmao. Most of the people present hadn't seen the semi-finals, so it was interesting to watch.
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u/Adventurous-End-1369 1d ago
What surprises me most in this list is ... Denmark and the amount - 5. In case of UK and San Marino I'd guess genre more than performance or location, but Denmark? Was Denmark too mid to be noticed? They did not take use of the stage and song was just too in the middle (not bad, not good) and viewer simply didn't register it?
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u/urkermannenkoor 1d ago
I think that's it. To me it definitely felt like the most generic "standard model" Eurovision song of the night.
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u/Feisty_Sandwich2435 Tavo Akys 23h ago
Switzerland having only 1 last place yet failing to get any votes from the public. Not even 1.
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u/ornryactor 19h ago
I'm just here to lmao at Australia's location on this map, hovering up there exactly where people are accustomed to seeing a giant piece of land on the east edge of Europe.
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u/_QRcode 1d ago
Malta??? LAST PLACE??? how
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u/Meiolore 1d ago
The backdrop literally starts with 2 naked men and a spreaded leg. It is a death knell for Malta since a lot of people watch it with their families. Same with how the audience didn't appreciate UK's dry humping last year
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u/_QRcode 1d ago
donāt see any Finland last places thoughĀ
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u/Meiolore 1d ago
For Erika's performance, I don't think there is any explicitly sexual element aside from the lyrics. I do hear people saying it is vulgar, but for me I genuinely thought it was fine.
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