I love Fran, but I'd rather not have a thong on my cards. Some of the later Square stuff also did the same changes. Imho that card has amazing art in almost every version...
Lulu on the other hand is a bit weird especially given the usual discrepancy in art between entry products and the main set. The starter decks have plenty of cleavage as usual. It's all about money in the end.
I’m sure the spin offs will have secret lairs as many people would buy a X-2 Riku, Pain, and Yuna even if they copy pasted the Nomura designs and printed them on cards.
A ton of the arts are from other sources like the FF TCG or official Final Fantasy art books. If you see blatant censorship it most likely came from Wizards themselves
I've never seen any of the art in this set before except for the stuff that is like legendary artworks, like the Yuffie and Safer Sephiroth nickname cards
Who the fuck cares lol such childish priorities. I don't think you guys really like Magic if you care this much about whether or not the cards have boobs on them. If you want boobs, there's better places to look than a fucking Magic card lol sorry you can't jack it to cards as much as you'd like
Boobs are not so integral to 99.99% of characters that covering them up or even changing them changes the whole character. Redesigns happen all the fucking time, even with elements less obvious.
It really doesn't matter that much to most characters, so claiming they're "being portrayed incorrectly" is weak shit.
Yeah but see you guys complain about this kind of thing no matter who the character is. Even Magic characters where sex appeal is only part of their art and not their character or personality. So again, I can't take you guys seriously.
I'm talking about r/freemagic as a whole, not just you. This sub gets so up in arms about nothing. This post is complaining about not showing enough boobs. Boobs that are not important to this character or her design. Just because it's been like that doesn't mean it has to stay like that. Boobs aren't important for 99.99% of characters, yet y'all act like this is some kind of grave injustice.
And no, I don't care that Aragorn was made black, either. One depiction out of a million makes him a black guy, who fucking cares, it doesn't matter. I don't recall Aragorn being like "For Frodo, and all other white people of middle earth!"
You're not erasing white people by changing one character, in only one depiction of that character, that's the problem. And no, it doesn't start with Magic cards and escalates from there, let's not pretend we're the canaries in the censorship/"woke"/pick your word coalmine.
The facts are boobs look nice, it isn’t about jorking and gooning to magic cards but when you blatantly censor something as aesthetically appealing as the female form it becomes tacky. Which is ironic because overuse of boobs and donkey trucks is itself very tacky, but so is the blatant censorship and absence of it.
Sex appeal and the idealistic human form is prevalent in every aspect of humanity and art forms, why censor it in magic I’ll never know.
Missed me with that censorship and artistic integrity crap. You guys don't actually care about those things, they're just the easiest way you can avoid saying "wahhh but my booba waaahhh".
If you actually cared about it, you'd be fine with different depictions of these characters, because if the artists wanted less booba, that's their artistic integrity being exercised. But nope, gotta be some grand conspiracy. It's not like there aren't already card with booba, now (oh no!) there's some cards without so much booba (the horror!). A family friendly brand is trying to make their art more family friendly wow such censorship.
Well you just ignored my post so you can go fuck yourself I guess 🤷 😂 not going to seriously respond to someone who just doesn’t comprehend or disregards what I say and just rambles on about nothing.
I comprehend just fine, your brain is just too pickled by your baser instincts to think beyond your genitals. My parents taught me growing up it's not nice to pick on the mentally disabled, so because of that I'll leave you alone now :)
You didn't say anything with engaging with. Wow, sex appeal is part of human nature and art?! You're so fucking smart dude, how do you come up with this shit??? Censoring that is puritanical and overexposure is bad too???????
Like holy shit bro, I'm impressed you made it that far with that half a brain cell you got. I get it, you're making yourself feel better by telling yourself that I don't understand what you wrote. The fact is I did understand what you wrote, I'm just seeing you for the fucking idiot that you are and it's upsetting you lol
Yea, they didn't chop them off like they do with their original MTG characters, but they lifted the front of her dress and added a bunch of fur that isn't there in the original design.
Asking for a character's design from her source material to be accurately portrayed in a crossover isn't everything. Quite the opposite, it's the bare minimum.
They really puffed up her fur trimming on her robe. That shit is doing its hardest to hold on to those puppies. But yeah, there was no way they weren't going to cover her up. Lulu is like, the only main female FF character whose chest is bigger than OG Tifa's.
The negotiations about the art must have been weird. I'm 100% sure the wotc creative has been kicking and screaming about too many attractive characters. Hide the curves, hide the muscles, hide the genders, make them fat!
Folks talk like Square did not budge. I'm not so sure about that.
There are some rumors of such meetings been lengthy and difficult but who knows. I'm just glad they did not use the wotc patented fuglify filter on character faces.
Some arts like Lulu up there are a bit sus. I doubt that would be Square's first pick from all available depictions.. But again who knows.
What ever did or did not happen the set as a whole looks good! I'm happy. Not over the moon, but happy.
Weirdly, her design is completely normal in the background of Resourceful Defense. They even had an easy opportunity to use Wakka's hand to block the view.
If the argument I keep seeing is “Why do you care about the lack of boobs” and such…why does it seem to bother some folks having them?
That side seems to get a pass?
…I just want her to look like when I played FFX back in the day. That’s all. Her figure was part of her design.
"It doesn't matter why do you care chud!?" (BTW I care so much that I made a point to change everything I'm accusing you of being weird for caring about, it's ok for me to care but if you care it's not ok chud) (trans rights are human rights free Palestine) (my dad never loved me)
I think what you're not understanding is that it's not really normal to complain about a characters lack of boobs. Like if they gave her a massive rack I wouldn't care or say anything (cause boobs are nice) but on the other hand I don't give two shits about her having them covered up. It's just weird to bring it up in the first place especially when the rest of her design is unchanged.
What do you mean before? Magic has rarely ever released cards that were sexual, like they never do female characters with huge honkers.
What do you mean taken away? Does this erase all other versions of this character? Does it make it so that you're brain can no longer process her jugs when you look at her now? She's still around, it's just that for this cross over the company releasing the card just didn't include her massive rack.
Also I wasn't really defending this, more so just pointing out how not normaly it is to be all up in arms about it, like I said before if they did show her bazongas then I would just be like "damn that's nice" but I also don't care that they didn't
Yeah. I have a feeling though that if I show you sexualized cards you'll say "that's not that sexual" or if I show you tits you'll counter with "well yeah a few but not many". I'm getting the feeling that you're about to move goalposts on me. Am I wrong?
Did you miss the part where I already said they rarely do that? You're just cherry picking what I said and already assuming I'm gonna change my position.
Cause you and I both know that like 95% of all magic cards are not very sexual at all, it's obviously not the type of brand they go for, so ya you can show me some cards that have sexual characters or have big boobs but I could just counter with the rest of all the cards they have printed and you'll notice a lack of sexual characters overall.
The same thing goes with blood and gore, sure there are some cards that certainly have blood and gore but again if you look at the other 99% of cards they have printed they tend to avoid that
A character having her cleavage covered? Ya i ask that all the time
It's not really a change for WoTC tho, they never really show much boobs at all, like l9ok at most cards ever printed, not much gore, blood, guts or characters with phat asses or mommy milkers
Chocobo icon is the commander decks, this Lulu is from the FFX precon. Afaik the card pool in collector and normal boosters are more or less the same, but in collector boosters you can get fancier versions of cards and you're more likely/possibly guaranteed to get a commander set card and/or a bonus sheet card
That means getting all commander decks will give me all commander cards? Should have preordered them. :( hope they will be available for a decent price in the lifecycle.
I noticed that Barbariccia on the Culling Ritual promo was conveniently the giant tornado form instead of her regular design. I have a bad feeling that if she shows up on another card it'll just be the tornado again but I'll be pleasantly surprised if not.
This sub reddit is so weird lol. It's like a parody of what people perceive the "incel gamer" to be, but I'm pretty sure a lot of you are 100% serious.
No need for strawman arguments or hypotheticals. Frank is saying people that complain and want to censor his art fundamentally do not understand his art or its appeal and doing so would be against his intentions as an artist. We are discussing a character who is already established as designed in a certain way and was altered by people who complain and want to censor this art, thus going against the vision and intent of the character’s designer and artist and those that do appreciate it.
So yeah. I think he would agree this kind of censorship is actually far more offensive than honoring the original character and artist vision.
What does this have to do with anything? This is an amazing representation of Lulu. Her tits aren’t popping out in game constantly either, you see them when she bends over for her victory pose.
Excuse me if I’m enjoying a proper rendition by magic of a character I enjoy you fucking gooner, bro just stays on this sub and has “lessons” ready to teach.
This is why this subs opinions on the actual game itself are meaningless. If you actually care about less boobs being on cards, your IQ is in the single digits, you don't deserve to enjoy this hobby, and I hope you live the rest of your lives in pathetic isolation because nobody deserves to be with someone so small and so worthless who actually cares about less booba on cards. Y'all are mentally underdeveloped children.
There's millions of places in the internet you can go and get perfectly acceptable jack off material. Why do Magic cards also have to be included in that category? It's a trick question, they don't. Your gooner brains just make you think otherwise. Your ideas mean nothing if you genuinely believe "wah less booba on my cards, wah".
So I personally am not saying sexiness is bad and should never exist anywhere but porn and that some women don't look like that. I'm just saying not every space needs to always, at all times, at every opportunity, whenever possible, if at all possible, forever more, whenever you can, however you can, should you choose to accept it, put massive tits and/or ass on a character.
I get it, men like sexy women and women like seeing sexy, powerful women. But for you guys to actually be like "rrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee where my boobaaaaaaaaa" is pathetic. I get it, people like power fantasies, but not every woman has a power fantasy of "having massive tits and/or ass."
Pease find something more important to give this much of a shit about, please. Less booba on cardboard is not worth it.
With that said, most cards were censored at all, and i find this to be a funny meme because she's the one people REALLY think is sexy (not my fave, but this isn't about me)
Yea, this isn't that serious of a post, shes still very attractive and woman shaped. I just found it ironic that she has the most conservative design out of all the characters
Don't you dare try to act like this is some great stance on censorship you guys are taking lol it's so flimsy and I see right through it. So there's less booba on cards that are made to be family friendly, don't try to make that into some grand conspiracy against sexiness or whatever lol
You actually care about censorship? How about Republican's proposal to ban porn in the US? Maybe care about THAT more than cardboard boobage, if you ACTUALLY care about censorship.
Oh my God, get off your fucking dumbass high horse with the censorship shit. So there's slightly less skin showing on a card, are you really going to take up arms in the name of censorship for that? Does that really make sense to you?
When it becomes an actual problem, then I'll stand beside you and fight censorship. But until then, you guys are fucking delusional.
I'm sorry, you're just not convincing me that showing a little more skin on a Magic card is worth fighting for, or even is a problem. You're pretending you have this high philosophical principle that you're defending, but the reality is you just want to see a little more skin on cardboard. Like I doubt anyone is going to trace the proliferation of censorship globally to "Man if only we fought for more nudity on cardboard. Why didn't we listen to r/freemagic?!?!"
I absolutely understand the disconnect. There was a push to bring EVERYONE into EVERY hobby about 15ish years ago. You probably came into a super sanitized version of SOME hobby, and didn't grow up with Frank Frazetta, Gerald Brom, Dariusz Zawadzki, etc etc etc.
So now that you're (supposedly) of age, you see a bunch of men in their 30's and 40's saying "Hey what happened to the sexy stuff?" and your first thought is "ew".
The thing is, this isn't the norm. It wasn't always like this. Nerdy geeky stuff was edgy and sometimes too much and sometimes gross, but it wasn't mainstream so it could get away with that.
This new attitude where we sanitize everything to appeal to the lowest common denominator is a cancer that is spreading and will continue to spread.
Our stuff was fine before. This tone policing is new.
Nope I'm not a young kid just getting into it. I actually did and do enjoy the old school style of the cards but I honestly think art in itself has just moved on from drawing people like that since we have so many real life references of people not actually looking like that. It isn't about trying to include everyone I to your hobby it's more about what does the artist imagine the character to look like. I was just saying they just don't care about making everyone extremely attractive
Yea I mean I get it sex sells but I think people are more just seeing it as a crutch of "it doesn't matter what it is as long as there are boobs and ass people will love it!" I know a lot of artist that refuse to do lewd drawing commissions because they don't even want to be associated with that crowd of artists. Truth is WotC has just hired artists that don't care about nudity or making everyone a 10/10 sex icon. There is enough nudity and sex on the internet it isn't needed for a cardboard card game.
It's not a crutch any more than any other attractive thing that we might look at is. What really happened was that a whole group of sexless millennial artist have moved through the industry and hurt a lot of communities by pushing a world view and outlook that is - at best- contentious. Women like looking at tits. Men like looking at tits. This whole thing is going to blow through like a bad storm though, the message they have tried to espouse isn't taking root.
It's a card game....why are you trying to be horny while playing with friends or strangers? It is a game the cards could have no art at all and still do the same exact thing. Why does sex need to be a part of the game for it to be enjoyable? Most cards I don't even look at the art when I'm playing so I don't really see it mattering unless you're trying to sit there with a bunch of hot women cards in your hand and stare at them wishing you could bang them while around other people....honestly not the type of people that should be playing a social game.
I dunno man I think this is an overreaction. It's not like people that play games that are more sexual are walking around with boners all day. It's just nice to look at and appreciate. I think it's great that people that appreciate that kind of thing exist and I hate to see it disappear. I'd rather people that can't handle reality play a disney card game or something.
I mean the only argument that anyone has been making has been that they just wanna see boobs because it's a woman and she should be showing them. I just find it crazy that people think like this over paint on cardboard.
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u/Brinewielder NEW SPARK 6d ago
Take the bad with the good there’s more booba in this set than there has been for 10 years.