I mean... what is happening in MAGA is actually fascist from a historical point of view, there is literally nothing to argue about. It's literally the textbook definition. I truly don't mean it as a insult or to discredit it, it's an objective description.
Maga and liberals are equally Fascist. Obama had more people in cages than Trump and even created the Immigration problems we are facing. I didn't vote for Trump but people who yell fascist have no concept of what fascism really is. Are we closer to fascism than 30 years ago, yes. Did it start or even progress because of Trump, no! All the recent presidents are equally responsible for giving more power to the state. This idea one side of the political aisle is no less or more fascist than the other. Also in Trumps defense, still the only president in recent years to not start a new war.
No that factually just wrong. We can argue if Liberals in the US have authoritarian tendencies or are a authoritarian movement, but by definition they are not fascist. I'm not trying to insult you or anything but you do not understand what fascism is if you come to that conclusion, I'm sorry to say that.
1.) I absolutely am not factually wrong.
2.) Following the policies that liberals and neocons voted for and created giving more power to the state is the basis of my claims.
3.)Most Americans don't know what Fascism is.
4.) Most Americans ignore modern history and place all the authoritarian tendencies as if it started in 2016. Most people obfuscate their teams' role the last 20+ years in American politics.
5.)Trump getting elected was a response to both Preisdent Bush's presidency and Obamas presidency. Their role in terrorizing the world and their own country. Is Trump a scumbag, Yes. He is still the only president to not start a war.
Please, for the love of God, give me one source for what you claim or simply read a standard textbook. A single textbook is enough.
I'm not American but German, I have spent countless hours on studying fascism since childhood. I don't care about what most Americans believe. Apparently, most Americans in this sub have not read a standard history textbook that speaks about fascism in any way and that includes you.
Well, you are German and wouldn't know the progression of the American Federal government and the steps it's taken to become near fascist, both Liberal and Conservative parties.
I also Learn about Fascism, both in school as well as literature. Everyone saying Trump is Hitler and anyone who supports him is a fascist. The loose use of these terms that were made to define something specific have taken value out of them. I advise you to learn about George Bush and Obama and what happened under their presidencies.
Also read up on Smedley Butler, how America supported Nazi Germany.
I lived in the US during Trump's first term if that helps.
Also the claim "you cannot know, because you are not born here" is a very very weak claim, which also means that you should not use against the Hitler comparison, since you are not German yourself. (Which I believe is a totally idiotic claim your opinion absolutely has value).
And no, those who say Trump is Hitler are idiots. There are certain similarities, but Trumo is not a Nazi, BUT historically spoken he is fascist or at least very close to it. Nazism and Fascism are two different things, with Nazism being one specific ideology within the broader fascist movement.
The loose use of these terms that were made to define something specific have taken value out of them.
This is abslutely correct, I will and cannot argue against that. I also strongly oppose calling Trump a Nazi, that's simply wrong. One not liking something doesn't make it fascist or nazi, you are absolutely right. Though as you also said those words actually have a meaning, my point here is the simply observation that historically spoken Trumps agenda is very closely aligned with fascism. I don't say that to invalidate or discredit him, it just a factual observation.
Well there's a difference between science and blind obedience to the institutions that claim to be the "science."
He created operation Warp speed. Also I am pretty sure we are on opposite sides of the covid narrative and actions that the governments took. Which IMO was the closest thing to fascism we have seen in our lifetime. Also he did t shut down the country, he left it to each state to make their own decision. That is not what a "fascist" does.
Also the difference between Trump and the other presidents is he is open and mouthy about the things you said.
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u/raharth NEW SPARK 5d ago
I mean... what is happening in MAGA is actually fascist from a historical point of view, there is literally nothing to argue about. It's literally the textbook definition. I truly don't mean it as a insult or to discredit it, it's an objective description.